Just accept that Lagat is that good. He was a 3:26 guy at his best so 3:51 mile at 39 doesn't seem odd to me.
There are a lot of jealous haters in our sport and that is sad.
Just accept that Lagat is that good. He was a 3:26 guy at his best so 3:51 mile at 39 doesn't seem odd to me.
There are a lot of jealous haters in our sport and that is sad.
You are a very smart man wrote:
Innocent until proven guilty. A positive A sample is not proof of guilt. Subsequent findings exonerated him. No "trouble" since. He is innocent! El G was never charged with doping, do we just start throwing out all the accusations and presume guilt.
Further, Lagat does not overtrain and rarely gets injured. His year over year success is contributing to his current success. Until he is outright caught doping, I say we have to accept and give it a rest until proven otherwise.
Well, yes, until a positive we do have to accept it.
But there is something different here. With Geb, he got slower. He was still running fast, but long gone were the days of running 26:22 and such. That is not the case with Lagat. He just set a PR in the 2-mile last year. If you're not over 35, you don't recognize how absolutely ridiculously difficult it would be to set a pr in an event like a 2-mile (assuming that you've been competing most of your adult life). This is what is sketchy. But until there's proof...
Lagat and Lance share 3 of the same letters- and I don't believe in coincidences.
Just another dirty dopper.
1. "nearly everyone dopes at this level" - if everyone dopes at this level then Lagat is on even ground, and still smoking people.
2. HGH doesn't preferentially make teeth crooked, there are a host of side affects, non of which Lagat has
3. Lagat doesn't train alone, there are many flo track videos of him doing group interval sessions. Oh wait, he snuck off behind a tree, was he just taking a leak, or was he shooting up something?
He generally tops out at 60-70mpw, well below normal. He also takes time off completely from running, rather than obsessing about it. Lack of injury and regular year round speed sessions (except during time off) have kept him at this high level for years with the need for PEDs.
Can someone name *any* high level miler->5k runner that follows this well balanced plan? The antithesis is Mr burnout, Alan Webb.
He's had a gradual decline over the years in his specialities, but switched to longer stuff. If he took PEDs there would be dramatic spikes as in Jacobs case, but their are no such spikes. Or...is he just super clever and careful, deliberately slowing down to lop off the spikes in performance, yeah that must it. Better to forgo some prize/sponsor money then to get caught w drugs.
Lagat was hicham el guerrug's main competitor up until hicham retired in 2004-2005 (about 10 years ago) and Lagat is still going strong. Why doesnt someone ask lagat what he does specifically in training?
Yes -- it's quite convincing when you, with no name, tell me you have a friend, with no name, who by the way is a former American Record holder and indoor world champion, who knows the real scoop.Can you give me a name and a published quote? I won't argue against fantastic speculations, that may or may not have happened the way you say, from an imaginary friend of a friend who is a super secret insider, trust me.Lagat is out-kicking young guns because he is a miler, while the young guns are endurance specialists. If he's at the line with Rupp with one lap to go, it's game over for Rupp.
warrior revolution wrote:
About a year ago I spoke to a friend of mine who is a former American Record holder and indoor world champion. I asked about Lagat--how is it that he's not just running fast, but out kicking some young guns in his late 30s. Without hesitation my friend told me that it's common knowledge amongst top level runners that Lagat is dirty. My friend wasn't trying to impress anyone with some dark secret--he made it clear that in the highest level circles, athletes are very aware of what's going on around them.
I can tell you that the opinion on Lagat among those at the top is not one-sided, in either direction.
Warrior revolution- why would anyone believe anything an American says (record-holder or not)? Americans are notorious liars - look at this thread, even this site, all lies every single post.
IF if were going to bet on the most
obvious doper of a older age ,
then look no further than the
absolutely cut and dry case.
kim collins
throw in dwain also .
AND NO SECRET WHERE THIS MAINTENANSE
OR EVEN ENHANCEMENT OF SPEED IS COMING FROM
AT SUCH LATER STAGE OF CAREER .
showes how good and important to speed this is
and what happens in a natural setting
as age ,speed one of first things to go
hard to maintain ,let alone enhance.
igf-1lr3 .....................
Phillthy Running wrote:
How is it everyone thought (and correctly so) that Regina Jacobs was doping when she was still competing on the world stage while in her late 30's, yet no one really seems to question Bernard Lagat?
Well, your premise is wrong.
Lagat is questioned all the time here.
Have you read these boards?
It's just that the brojos don't write that he is questionable.
They selectively choose who they deem to be more likely dopers and write about it.
But they have gotten better and don't do like they used to.
And that is why you saw more on Regina do you do on anyone now.
And as others have said, Lagat's best years were still long ago while Jacobs was at her all time best in her late 30's.
So that comparison doesn't work either.
What through me off with Jacobs was that she was not obviously improving in her 30s. Actually, she had run within one or two seconds of her 1500m pr virtually every year for something like a fifteen year period. Lagat was exonerated on his positive test by a different, far more accurate test, a different kind of test that would positively identify synthetic EPO. Now, he has retained an incredible competitiveness into his late 30s, but by no stretch of the imagination has he been anywhere near his lifetime peak. He ran 3:26.3 at his best. He hasn't run better than 3:32 or 3:33 since maybe 2009 or 2008.
What "threw" me off ...
good point, her 1500m progression graph on the IAAF website doesn't show a late career improvement, just an extremely long run of consistently fast times. Lagat's progression does show that he was getting gradually slower at the 1500 before he decided to switch to 5000.
Very apt comparison. The truth will come out.
I think he's clean. I just remember reading an article with Lagat's coach when he was told about the positive test. It told the look of absolute shock on his face and he kept saying "that can't be right." I just remember thinking that other coaches rarely truly have a look of absolute shock like that. If Lagat was doping, then I think his coach certainly didn't know about that. It's hard to feign that.
Maybe the truth already came out.
Galen Rupp Number on Fan wrote:
Very apt comparison. The truth will come out.
The thing is that people don't age as quickly as before.
Heck, in the 18th century people were worn out in their 30.
The expression the 50s are the new 40s is for a reason.
In the future you'll see not only higher life expectancy, but sports
might be dominated by people in their late 30s and early 40s
due to their accumulated training.
Lagat is a prime example of this and clean.
Sleazy Sal's fanbois have no results to cheer about so they spend all their time denigrating the good clean runners. Who cares? Losers gonna lose.
Bernie is doped but so too are most these ringers
Phillthy Running wrote:
How is it everyone thought (and correctly so) that Regina Jacobs was doping when she was still competing on the world stage while in her late 30's, yet no one really seems to question Bernard Lagat?
Because Jacobs was a black woman who had the audacity to constantly outkick white heroine SFH. Thus she was banned, though never failing even one of the tester's bogus drug tests.