redux wrote:
So did she get reinstated because Jordan withdrew the protest?
A good question that various people have asked in various ways.
Once Hasay withdrew, since no one else has the standard, USATF could have put GG on the Worlds team even with the DQ. The IAAF wouldn't care.
There is no logical basis for reinstating GG as the US champion without giving a reason for rescinding the DQ, which the USATF statement fails to do. The statement in fact supports the DQ decision.
wejo wrote:
It's a figure of speech winning the battle, but not the war.
Instead of getting Gabriele reinstated I personally agree it is far more important that we make sure this can't happen again. If everyone just says "she's going to Poland, problem solved" then the same thing can happen again.
How did this happen? There certainly is the appearance of different rules for different people. At the very least there is almost no transparency at the very least.
The reason the athletes were so upset is that there is the perception at nearly every USATF championship that USATF officials makes capricious decisions on DQs, who gets into the meet, heat draws, or whatever it is. The athletes had finally had enough and protested in this case.
The mainstream media was picking up on this story.
Everytime with the meet entries, essentially when you look into it is becomes "the head meet ref can let into the meet whoever they want." Personally, I think there is a better way to do it than that, but don't have a problem with a somewhat flexible system to let stars in to a meet.
However, once the gun goes off, everyone needs to be treated the same at national championships. That includes which coaches get access to which areas and all the way through the DQ process. I don't feel confident that is always the case.
The real problem with the process wasn't how the DQ went down, it was how it didn't go down. People are signaling out Nike, but Nike was the obvious victim not the other way around. They needed 3 appeals to get accomplished what should have been an automatic decision from the get-go, a DQ. That is the problem. It shouldn't take that much to come to the right decision.
the PEOPLE had nothing to do with this nor did the woman's 1500m gesture of solidarity do anything either. Nike's PR department simply realized that this thing was getting ugly so they decided to end it before it got any actual exposure. Nike looks great coming out of this (we're all kissing hasay's feet after her bowing out) and Grunewald's DQ seems like an honest mistake. It's only people like the Brojos who want to push this to a battle against the evil Nike empire which isn't going to work considering Nike has an incredibly positive brand image despite having sweatshop factories in Asia. Some runner's DQ isn't going to register when you compare it to Nike's business practices which have barely affected it. This isn't going to change anyone's mind other than the 5 people on these forums who kept posting over and over about burning all of their nike stuff.
God bless US wrote:
seems like Al bowed under the pressure of Wejo and the Letsrun rats.
Wejo? Jesus. He was running a marathon and didn't work all weekend.
I worked until 430 am on Saturday night and 5:30 am last night. Steve Soprano was also on site in ALbuqueque.
Give me some love.
rojo wrote:
God bless US wrote:seems like Al bowed under the pressure of Wejo and the Letsrun rats.
Wejo? Jesus. He was running a marathon and didn't work all weekend.
I worked until 430 am on Saturday night and 5:30 am last night. Steve Soprano was also on site in ALbuqueque.
Give me some love.
Cowtown right?
We are all completely drained here in Beaverton. Many employees have been trolling for the past 48 hours without any rest breaks. The wave of revulsion over our corporate practices will result in additional review, evaluation, and consideration. Corrective action may be undertaken.
While Jordan's imminent victorious destiny was impeded in the eyes of the Company, we concede the public outrage is hurting our ongoing branding efforts. Shareholders have been ringing our phones off the hooks.
Be assured the people of Poland still have great love for Jordan. We will remain steadfast in our efforts to pull any available strings to provide Jordan the platform she deserves.
Don't ask the trolls on the forum for love. They work for others, and have no clue about what it takes to run a business. I am a business owner, and I have worked for myself for more than 15 years. Working late, and on weekends, is part of the norm. Most people cannot hack being a business owner.
rojo wrote:
God bless US wrote:seems like Al bowed under the pressure of Wejo and the Letsrun rats.
Wejo? Jesus. He was running a marathon and didn't work all weekend.
I worked until 430 am on Saturday night and 5:30 am last night. Steve Soprano was also on site in ALbuqueque.
Give me some love.
realist! wrote:
the PEOPLE had nothing to do with this nor did the woman's 1500m gesture of solidarity do anything either. Nike's PR department simply realized that this thing was getting ugly so they decided to end it before it got any actual exposure. Nike looks great coming out of this (we're all kissing hasay's feet after her bowing out) and Grunewald's DQ seems like an honest mistake. It's only people like the Brojos who want to push this to a battle against the evil Nike empire which isn't going to work considering Nike has an incredibly positive brand image despite having sweatshop factories in Asia. Some runner's DQ isn't going to register when you compare it to Nike's business practices which have barely affected it. This isn't going to change anyone's mind other than the 5 people on these forums who kept posting over and over about burning all of their nike stuff.
I disagree completely. It's not every day a grassroots-type protest succeeds, but that clearly seems to be the case here. No point trying to get all cynical and deny that anything cool can ever happen. When you say "Nike's PR dept simple realized that this thing was getting ugly so they decided to end it...", you may be right, but that would be exactly the point: lots of people, all of little significance individually, together created enough of a disturbance that the powers-that-be were forced to reverse their decision.
It's a figure of hyperbole.How about this …. if things are as bad as you're saying (and I'm not disagreeing with you, you have far more insight into that topic than I do), why not put a proper exposé together on it? Examples like this one, maybe the nonsense with the women's 100m final in the 2012 US OG Trials, and so on, and try to actually come up with something solid, rather than gossip and poppycock that fills these forums?The article on the home page covering this story is a good start. Follow it up and present something solid.And don't call it a "war".
wejo wrote:
It's a figure of speech winning the battle, but not the war.
Instead of getting Gabriele reinstated I personally agree it is far more important that we make sure this can't happen again. If everyone just says "she's going to Poland, problem solved" then the same thing can happen again.
How did this happen? There certainly is the appearance of different rules for different people. At the very least there is almost no transparency at the very least.
The reason the athletes were so upset is that there is the perception at nearly every USATF championship that USATF officials makes capricious decisions on DQs, who gets into the meet, heat draws, or whatever it is. The athletes had finally had enough and protested in this case.
The mainstream media was picking up on this story.
Everytime with the meet entries, essentially when you look into it is becomes "the head meet ref can let into the meet whoever they want." Personally, I think there is a better way to do it than that, but don't have a problem with a somewhat flexible system to let stars in to a meet.
However, once the gun goes off, everyone needs to be treated the same at national championships. That includes which coaches get access to which areas and all the way through the DQ process. I don't feel confident that is always the case.
It seems like a lot of people are mad at Al Sal for protesting at all. I know for certain when I was an NCAA athlete if someone contacted me in a championship race and a yellow flag went up my coach would be doing everything he possibly could to get our team more points and my place higher. If he didn't do that, he would be a terrible coach. How, exactly, is this different other than the unconfirmed claims that it was all Nike's doing?
People should be putting 99% of the blame on USATF for overturning the call. Salazar was just doing his job.
And it appears that I am thinking clearly.
Flotrack (@Flotrack) tweeted at 5:57 PM on Mon, Feb 24, 2014:Just so we're clear, @gg_runs being reinstated came from @JordanHasay withdrawing her protest. Class.(https://twitter.com/Flotrack/status/438085284782034944)
How pathetic is Gabe's husband. Threatening Hasay. I hope he feels like big man today.
This was a PR nightmare for Nike because of the people's reaction and the W1500 protest. Nike is not a winner but a huge loser in this fiasco.USATF was shown to be a weak easily swayed outfit who couldn't even follow their own rules.Jordan Hasay is just a 22 yr old kid who naturally will rely on her seasoned established coach and her employer for direction. Who wouldn't do the same at that age? I'm glad she got credit for pulling out.Rojo did some very good work. Letsrun again shows its independence and willingness to shake things up!(You have to give props when props are due)
realist! wrote:
the PEOPLE had nothing to do with this nor did the woman's 1500m gesture of solidarity do anything either. Nike's PR department simply realized that this thing was getting ugly so they decided to end it before it got any actual exposure. Nike looks great coming out of this stuff.
No, she should thank Hassay. Hassay didn't throw the yellow flag after she was crashed into. The referee threw the flag.
Justice or death of USATF wrote:
GG has to thank LR and Twitter for this. This is great news. In every rules system there is such thing as precedence... the contact in that race was not wise by GG but def no DQ material. I believe it would make a difference if it was clear Hasay had a good shot at making the team (i.e. she was accelerating and the bump slowed her down). Finally Al was put in his place.. this guy was becoming too big to fail. Nike owns USATF but the public owns everyone.. you lose fans and customers and you have nothing. The people were def heard, this was about to easily get swept under the carpet. There is justice! We are sending our best runner, this is the way it should be.
GG - tone down the aggressive racing style and use your spacial reasoning to reduce amount of unnecessary contact
Hasay - nothing to say here except tough luck. You tried but this wasn't your day. Stop weaving when you slow down
Al - you don't run the world buddy.. everyone has to follow the rules. Learn some sportsmanship. Good luck retaining your good runners
Nike - no lesson learned, $ always wins. You don't lose by not sending Hasay, she had no shot anyway
USATF - you are very close to getting broken up, ppl are ultra sensitive about the beauracracy
Conundrum wrote:
This was a PR nightmare for Nike because of the people's reaction and the W1500 protest. Nike is not a winner but a huge loser in this fiasco.
USATF was shown to be a weak easily swayed outfit who couldn't even follow their own rules.
Jordan Hasay is just a 22 yr old kid who naturally will rely on her seasoned established coach and her employer for direction. Who wouldn't do the same at that age? I'm glad she got credit for pulling out.
Rojo did some very good work. Letsrun again shows its independence and willingness to shake things up!
(You have to give props when props are due)
realist! wrote:the PEOPLE had nothing to do with this nor did the woman's 1500m gesture of solidarity do anything either. Nike's PR department simply realized that this thing was getting ugly so they decided to end it before it got any actual exposure. Nike looks great coming out of this stuff.
God lord you people have an over inflated sense of importance.
When will gg explain why she didn't go around?
Dumbalough. wrote:
God lord you people have an over inflated sense of importance.
I think you must be responding to a different thread. It happens.
Conto wrote:
Blitzcraig wrote:How can Hasay withdraw a protest after the final decision has been made?
I don't understand this either. Anyone have reasoning? Isn't it similar to the following: An acquaintance steals a bunch of my stuff, I find out and press charges, he goes to trial and is found guilty and receives some sentence. I then say, "you know what, I recant pressing charges" and he no longer needs to serve?
Either Gabe was at fault or she wasn't. The protest just starts the inquiry. Once its opened, why does it matter what Jordan says?
How can Hasay withdraw a protest she didn't even file? The solution made about as much sense as the way they got there in the first place.
2q5 wrote:
"1) Were the rules followed and was 'enhanced video resolution' involved."
"The final disqualification was made on the basis of enlarged, digital footage of the legs and feet of both athletes"
Reading. Try it.
It's not clear to me how that "enlarged, digital footage" constitutes "conclusive new evidence" that the referee's decision was "clearly erroneous."
It's also not clear to me how Jordan Hasay has standing to have GG "reinstated" as U.S. champion after she has been disqualified from the race by the appellate jury. I suppose it's possible that the person who files the original protest has the power to get the disqualification set aside and the original results reinstated, but I am curious about that. Does anyone here happen to have a citation to the rule that gives Hasay this authority?
GG will be disqualified at World's.