Could Mo Farah break the 10K track WR this summer?

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  • redux
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    5 years ago 02/20/2014 9:51am CST
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    Bad Wigins wrote:

    ...Switching to marathons means he's given up on the idea if he ever even entertained it at all.

    So Mo can't move up to the Marathon and then move back to the 10K--or shorter--and have success?

    Because Galen didn't run a great half-athon in NYC on March 20, 2011? He ran 1:00:30 that includes a fall. Minus the fall he'd have gone under 60:00. And then he ran an AR in the 10K 26:48.00 on September 16, 2011 at Belgacom Memorial Van Damme. That was just shy of 6 months later.

    Don't forget that he won the silver in the 2012 Olympic 10K and has 3 new ARs for indoor since then in the 3000, 2 mile, and 5000 AFTER moving up to the half-athon the previous year.

    Also, don't forget that Galen and Mo have the same coach.
  • Chuck Burry
    5 years ago 02/20/2014 10:21am CST
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    rtfgrtf wrote:

    Chuck Burry wrote:

    What 3:27?

    Leave it to the lets run crowd to jump up and down if you're off by .82. Ok, so he ran 3:28.81 - still faster than both Bekele, Geb, and Komen.


    Remember when El G ran 3:25.18?

    Each of those runners in their prime (and Bekele past his) would smash Farah--- especially if they were in Mo's "whoops I ran too fast" 1500m last year.
  • TAA
    5 years ago 02/20/2014 10:26am CST
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    oodk wrote:

    TAA wrote:


    The 5k is the most competitive its ever been. Remember in 2012 when 6 people broke 12:50?




    No, it's not. Sure, these guys have fast PRs, but they haven't been in that form since that race and they have no racing skills (they keep using the same sit and kick tactic against a 3:28 1500m runner in slow races. They are idiots).


    How do you know they haven't been in that form since? They were in 2012 when Farah beat all of them. Just because it's a sit and kick doesn't make it less competitive. Bekele and Geb never had to deal with as much depth.
  • oodk
    5 years ago 02/20/2014 10:47am CST
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    TAA wrote:

    How do you know they haven't been in that form since? They were in 2012 when Farah beat all of them. Just because it's a sit and kick doesn't make it less competitive. Bekele and Geb never had to deal with as much depth.


    Do you even follow the sport? One of those guys might not have even broken 28:00 in the Moscow final. What 12:4x can't run that fast for 10k? That's how I know.

    I never said that sit and kick made it less competitive. Don't make up things and accuse me of saying them.

    Bekele and Geb had MUCH more to deal with. Are you kidding? Wanjiru, the Tadesses, a Lagat that could close in 51 in a sub 13 race, Choge, Kipchoge, little Bekele, Farah, Sihine, El G, EACH OTHER, etc. These people weren't afraid to push the pace. They didn't just repeat the same dumb tactic literally every time.

    Did you never hear of that 10k race where the Ethiopians ran the second half in under 13 minutes? Farah wouldn't know what hit him.
  • we've been thru this
    5 years ago 02/20/2014 11:27am CST
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    oodk wrote:

    Do you even follow the sport? One of those guys might not have even broken 28:00 in the Moscow final. What 12:4x can't run that fast for 10k? That's how I know.

    I never said that sit and kick made it less competitive. Don't make up things and accuse me of saying them.

    Bekele and Geb had MUCH more to deal with. Are you kidding? Wanjiru, the Tadesses, a Lagat that could close in 51 in a sub 13 race, Choge, Kipchoge, little Bekele, Farah, Sihine, El G, EACH OTHER, etc. These people weren't afraid to push the pace. They didn't just repeat the same dumb tactic literally every time.

    Did you never hear of that 10k race where the Ethiopians ran the second half in under 13 minutes? Farah wouldn't know what hit him.

    we've been thru this -


    Renato Canova wrote:

    Don't think the real value of Mo is 12'53". He ran already 12'57" in 2010, when we worked together for some month in Iten, in Zurich, and now is very much stronger, after going to Salazar. To think can run near 12'40" is something reasonable, such as the possibility of running under 26'30" in 10000m.

    http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=5302291
  • Addis Mekonen
    5 years ago 02/20/2014 11:33am CST
    re: redux
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    Mo is in the shape of his life. Yet he could not beat a washed up Bekele in the half marathon. There is no way he breaks a record that Bekele set when he was in the shape of his life.
  • yawn
    5 years ago 02/20/2014 11:37am CST
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    Troll off, Bekele's switch to road was a great success.
  • oodk
    5 years ago 02/20/2014 11:42am CST
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    we've been thru this wrote:



    Renato Canova wrote:

    Don't think the real value of Mo is 12'53". He ran already 12'57" in 2010, when we worked together for some month in Iten, in Zurich, and now is very much stronger, after going to Salazar. To think can run near 12'40" is something reasonable, such as the possibility of running under 26'30" in 10000m.

    http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=5302291




    Oh yeah that's right. It makes perfect sense that a 26:20 guy can't win a 60:10 half marathon race.
  • TAA
    5 years ago 02/20/2014 11:43am CST
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    oodk wrote:

    TAA wrote:

    How do you know they haven't been in that form since? They were in 2012 when Farah beat all of them. Just because it's a sit and kick doesn't make it less competitive. Bekele and Geb never had to deal with as much depth.


    Do you even follow the sport? One of those guys might not have even broken 28:00 in the Moscow final. What 12:4x can't run that fast for 10k? That's how I know.

    I never said that sit and kick made it less competitive. Don't make up things and accuse me of saying them.

    Bekele and Geb had MUCH more to deal with. Are you kidding? Wanjiru, the Tadesses, a Lagat that could close in 51 in a sub 13 race, Choge, Kipchoge, little Bekele, Farah, Sihine, El G, EACH OTHER, etc. These people weren't afraid to push the pace. They didn't just repeat the same dumb tactic literally every time.

    Did you never hear of that 10k race where the Ethiopians ran the second half in under 13 minutes? Farah wouldn't know what hit him.


    We're talking about the 5k. Gebremeskal didn't run the 5k as his main event in 2013. Gebreweit and Alamirew ran 12:55 with 53 last laps in 2013. Koech and Longosiwa didn't time trial in 2013.

    I said the 5k is the most competitive it's ever been. You said no it's not. One of the reason you stated was that they were racing idiots because they keep using the sit and kick tactic. So you did say that.

    Wanjiru was not a 5k guy. Tadesse wasn't a sub-12:50 guy. Neither was Choge, 2000's Farah, T.Bekele, Lagat, or El G.

    Geb's only real 5k competition was Komen. Tergat was mainly a 10k guy that never challenged Geb in the 5k. That's nothing compared to what Farah has to deal with.

    Try again.
  • TAA
    5 years ago 02/20/2014 11:45am CST
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    oodk wrote:

    we've been thru this wrote:



    Renato Canova wrote:

    Don't think the real value of Mo is 12'53". He ran already 12'57" in 2010, when we worked together for some month in Iten, in Zurich, and now is very much stronger, after going to Salazar. To think can run near 12'40" is something reasonable, such as the possibility of running under 26'30" in 10000m.

    http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=5302291




    Oh yeah that's right. It makes perfect sense that a 26:20 guy can't win a 60:10 half marathon race.


    It makes perfect sense that a 12:58 guy couldn't win a 14:54 5k at Nationals.
  • The Waterboy
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    5 years ago 02/20/2014 11:52am CST
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    Mo Farah could break the 10K track WR but he won't because he never goes after records so who cares.

    No respect for Farah for not chasing records. Why on earth is he doing a marathon less than a year after running 3:28? He should have been with Galen chasing after the indoor 2 mile and mile records. Farah could have gotten those records and target a fast 5K this year but instead he's wasting his shape for $$$$ at the London Marathon.
  • oodk
    5 years ago 02/20/2014 11:55am CST
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    TAA wrote:


    It makes perfect sense that a 12:58 guy couldn't win a 14:54 5k at Nationals.



    I know you think this is a good point but it's not. It just makes you look like you really don't actually watch or know anything about running.
  • TAA
    5 years ago 02/20/2014 11:57am CST
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    oodk wrote:

    TAA wrote:


    It makes perfect sense that a 12:58 guy couldn't win a 14:54 5k at Nationals.



    I know you think this is a good point but it's not. It just makes you look like you really don't actually watch or know anything about running.


    Why is that not a good point?
  • oodk
    5 years ago 02/20/2014 12:03pm CST
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    TAA wrote:

    We're talking about the 5k. Gebremeskal didn't run the 5k as his main event in 2013. Gebreweit and Alamirew ran 12:55 with 53 last laps in 2013. Koech and Longosiwa didn't time trial in 2013.

    I said the 5k is the most competitive it's ever been. You said no it's not. One of the reason you stated was that they were racing idiots because they keep using the sit and kick tactic. So you did say that.

    Wanjiru was not a 5k guy. Tadesse wasn't a sub-12:50 guy. Neither was Choge, 2000's Farah, T.Bekele, Lagat, or El G.

    Geb's only real 5k competition was Komen. Tergat was mainly a 10k guy that never challenged Geb in the 5k. That's nothing compared to what Farah has to deal with.

    Try again.


    Try again? YOU need to try again. This is about the 5k and the 10k. It's even in the thread TITLE. Wrong #1.

    Yes, I did say that. But that's not what you claimed I said. Stop lying, you claimed that I said that 'sit and kick races equal not competitive'. That is not the same as what I ACTUALLY said which was about them using the same racing tactics over and over exposing their weaknesses. Wrong #2.

    You're an absolute idiot if you think all of those guys aren't sub 12:50 guys. Wrong #3.

    Geb had Komen and Tergat. Komen alone is more than anything that Farah has had to deal with. That is a fact. He was in shape and used a variety of tactics and used them well. Farah's competitors have fast PRs but all of those PRs are useless if you don't use appropriate tactics. Wrong #4.
  • TAA
    5 years ago 02/20/2014 12:18pm CST
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    oodk wrote:

    TAA wrote:

    We're talking about the 5k. Gebremeskal didn't run the 5k as his main event in 2013. Gebreweit and Alamirew ran 12:55 with 53 last laps in 2013. Koech and Longosiwa didn't time trial in 2013.

    I said the 5k is the most competitive it's ever been. You said no it's not. One of the reason you stated was that they were racing idiots because they keep using the sit and kick tactic. So you did say that.

    Wanjiru was not a 5k guy. Tadesse wasn't a sub-12:50 guy. Neither was Choge, 2000's Farah, T.Bekele, Lagat, or El G.

    Geb's only real 5k competition was Komen. Tergat was mainly a 10k guy that never challenged Geb in the 5k. That's nothing compared to what Farah has to deal with.

    Try again.


    Try again? YOU need to try again. This is about the 5k and the 10k. It's even in the thread TITLE. Wrong #1.

    Yes, I did say that. But that's not what you claimed I said. Stop lying, you claimed that I said that 'sit and kick races equal not competitive'. That is not the same as what I ACTUALLY said which was about them using the same racing tactics over and over exposing their weaknesses. Wrong #2.

    You're an absolute idiot if you think all of those guys aren't sub 12:50 guys. Wrong #3.

    Geb had Komen and Tergat. Komen alone is more than anything that Farah has had to deal with. That is a fact. He was in shape and used a variety of tactics and used them well. Farah's competitors have fast PRs but all of those PRs are useless if you don't use appropriate tactics. Wrong #4.


    My original comment was about the 5k only. I said it's more competitive than it's ever been. I never said anything about the 10k. You're the one using examples from the 10k to support your argument when I never brought that up.

    They weren't. Out of the 9 guys you gave only 2 of them broke 12:50.

    Tergat was not a 5k guy and never challenged Geb in the 5k. Komen is just one guy. I'm talking about depth of competition. Farah had to deal with 6 sub-12:50 guys in 2012, Geb had two. Also Komen almost only ran fast, time trial like races when he raced Geb. Not a variety.

    The reason Farah wins races is because he's the best.
    Not because the other guys use the wrong tactics.
  • oodk
    5 years ago 02/20/2014 12:31pm CST
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    You asked me how I knew they weren't in form. I showed you an example of how one guy couldn't even finish a 10k in under or much under 28. That is a clear example of how i know they weren't in shape. So yes you did bring that up.

    Again, those guys were all clearly in sub 12:50 shape. How do you not understand this? Lagat running a 51 in a 12:5x race doesn't clearly show sub 12:50 ability to you?

    According to YOUR OWN logic, none of those guys were sub 12:50 guys in 2013 because they didn't actually run sub 12:50 in 2013.

    No, Komen is far greater competition and depth by himself than any of those other guys. And no he did not always use the same tactic. Sometimes he kicked at the end. Sometimes he put a big surge in before.

    Sure, I agree. The reason Farah wins is because he is currently the best. But not because he is actually a great runner. He wins because the others are either slower or lack any racing smarts. Why do they let it come down to a sit and kick EVERY race vs a guy with a 3:28 1500m time? Farah wins because the competition hands it over to him. He has never won using any other tactic.
  • Mary Cain
    5 years ago 02/20/2014 12:52pm CST
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    nah not after his marathon I dont think, but Rupp might have a shot or atleast at sub 26:30 I mean 7 miles under 30 over an hour? SH!T!
  • TAA
    5 years ago 02/20/2014 1:05pm CST
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    oodk wrote:

    You asked me how I knew they weren't in form. I showed you an example of how one guy couldn't even finish a 10k in under or much under 28. That is a clear example of how i know they weren't in shape. So yes you did bring that up.

    Again, those guys were all clearly in sub 12:50 shape. How do you not understand this? Lagat running a 51 in a 12:5x race doesn't clearly show sub 12:50 ability to you?

    According to YOUR OWN logic, none of those guys were sub 12:50 guys in 2013 because they didn't actually run sub 12:50 in 2013.

    No, Komen is far greater competition and depth by himself than any of those other guys. And no he did not always use the same tactic. Sometimes he kicked at the end. Sometimes he put a big surge in before.

    Sure, I agree. The reason Farah wins is because he is currently the best. But not because he is actually a great runner. He wins because the others are either slower or lack any racing smarts. Why do they let it come down to a sit and kick EVERY race vs a guy with a 3:28 1500m time? Farah wins because the competition hands it over to him. He has never won using any other tactic.

    I didn't bring up 10k competitiveness. You argued that Gebremeskal wasn't in the same shape as he was in 2012 and used a championship 10k time as an example.

    Yes, they weren't sub-12:50 guys in 2013. I never disputed that, but they were in 2012. Bekele and Geb never had that many to deal with like Farah did.

    If they never broke 12:50, then they weren't sub-12:50 guys.
    Coulda,shoulda,woulda

    Just Komen is not more competition than 6 sub-12:50 guys. 1 guy is not greater than 6.

    That's not true. Farah beat them in fast races twice in 2011. Monaco 5k and Pre 10k. Actually the only races Farah has been beaten in are sit and kicks (besides the 1500,which isn't his main event).

    This obviously isn't going anywhere and doesn't matter anyway. I guess we just have to agree to disagree. Have a nice day.
  • run through rain
    5 years ago 02/20/2014 1:12pm CST
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    The reason we're all having this debate is because although we know what Farah can do over 1500m, we still haven't seen him really go for a fast time over 10km. I still don't understand why he hasn't gone for a fast time on the track when he's clearly at the top of his game, he's not that young either.
    I thought that this summer would have possibly been his last chance to chase his ultimate times for the track distances. Even if the world records are out of reach, wouldn't he want to see how much faster he could go over 5/10km? Especially having run a crazy time for 1500m!

    I hope he doesn't make a mess of things having signed up for all the London marathon shenanigans. It would be good if he could return to the track after the marathon and chase times, otherwise I can only imagine him looking back regretfully at not taking the opportunity to throw everything at track before moving up to the marathon.

    I'm sure that he could get the same amount of money for debuting at the London marathon this year as he would sometime in the next two to three years.
  • what????
    5 years ago 02/20/2014 1:51pm CST
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    "Bekele and Geb never had that many to deal with like Farah did."

    DISAGREE COMPLETELY. Bekele in 2003 in the 5000m had kipchoge, el g, abraham chebbi (who was a beast) and defending 2001 5000m world champion among others. Matter of fact even though he didn't complete the double. Bekele's 2003 double> Farah's 2013 double any day. And get this bekele was only 21 YEARS OLD AT THE TIME. Who else takes on that kind of challenge at 21 years old. What the hell Rupp was doing at the age 21? I'm pretty sure he wasn't doubling against competition like this. Where the hell was Mo at? Wasn't he same age as bekele? Besides Mo never had an El G to deal with in any of his 5000m races. I call that stiff competition.