Running fast IS supportive evidence of doping. Not that you can draw conclusions from fast times alone, but it is still evidence. For instance, if she'd run 61 minutes for the 1/2 marathon, and did nothing else "suspicious" other than that, then I think for most people, that time in itself would be pretty convincing evidence of doping.
If you accept that 61 minutes for a woman would be suspicious, then you have to ask yourself where you personally draw the line. You're OK with 65 minutes, but what about 64, 63, 62?
Look at cycling. Cycling is convenient because we KNOW that most of the riders of the recent past were doping. We know that Marco Pantani was powered by EPO when he set the Alpe d'Huez ascent record of 37 minutes. So if somebody comes out and beats that time, their performance alone constitutes evidence of doping.
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trollism wrote:
Can't get sued for expressing an opinion, particularly where the opinion is a fair one despite it being controversial.
Saying that you think an distance running record (a sport riddled with PEDs) is a bit sketchy is a perfectly valid opinion to have.
Saying he saw an athlete inject EPO into her ass (when he didn't or has no proof that he did) is libel. Saying that XXX athlete might be doped, is not.
You can be sued for anything. Libel laws differ in different jurisdiction. The poster I replied to is apparently in the UK. I know their libel laws are much stricter but am not familiar with all of the details of that.
I can't control people's opinions (nor would I want to), so anybody can certainly think anything they want about any particular athlete or record.
I don't like people being accused, especially such a veiled accusation, without any supporting reasons. That's my opinion. Didn't say he couldn't but I think less of his opinion as a result. -
trollism wrote:Can I do it unkindly instead?
I want to use the words 'moron', 'idiot' and 'imbecile' as liberally as you like to.
moron
the question stands :
kindly inform us of an
"unproven"
doping country ??? -
ventolin^3 wrote:
trollism wrote:Can I do it unkindly instead?
I want to use the words 'moron', 'idiot' and 'imbecile' as liberally as you like to.
moron
the question stands :
kindly inform us of an
"unproven"
doping country ???
Imbecile. Idiot. -
To the Limit wrote:Ha ha!
The Uk has a far better record in terms of lack of drug users in middle and distance running than Ethiopia, as well as having had far more stringent and vigorous testing since the early 80's.
eh ?
the chances coe caught toxoplasmosis from scooping cat sh!t/dodgy takeaway/contaminated meat or water are virtually nil
try this :
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/toxoplasmosis.html -
ventolin^3 wrote:
moron
Oh come on, that's two 'morons' in a row. Mix it up a bit, I don't believe you're passed your peak yet. -
rojo wrote:One thing we hinted at but didn't say directly is based on the equivalent performance charts - women are way better at longer distance stuff than shorter distance stuff. I dont know if the charts are made for men or what but they don't really work great for women - the longer they the, the better their records get
Big Guy
This isn't exactly rocket science.
Women's distance times shoud be ~ 9.5% slower than mens
65'12 ->
~ 59'32
Her clocking is only just bringing respectability to the distance, considering Arturio clocked < 60 coupla decades+ ago -
just sayin wrote:
To the Limit wrote:
Ha ha!
The Uk has a far better record in terms of lack of drug users in middle and distance running than Ethiopia, as well as having had far more stringent and vigorous testing since the early 80's.
the british are very crafty when it comes to doping
they don't get caught much
Caught 'much' !
Please tell me of any elite British middle or distance runner caught doping in last 30 years?
They have been subjected to out of season and out of competition testing since the early 80's, prior to the IAAF doing the same in 1989.
Please tell me what the doping protocol has been for Ethiopian testing of their own athletes in the past 25 years? -
Tim was not being racist by having an opinion. He was acting as someone who has a good deal of experience in a sport he loves and was trying to protect. Calling out situations that one legitimately believes are "dodgey" is attempting to protect the sport.
That being said, I think she is clean and ran a beautiful race. -
ventolin^3 wrote:
the chances coe caught toxoplasmosis from scooping cat sh!t/dodgy takeaway/contaminated meat or water are virtually nil
Which may explain why it took so long to diagnose.
"Toxoplasmosis is considered to be a leading cause of death attributed to foodborne illness in the United States. More than 60 million men, women, and children in the U.S. carry the Toxoplasma parasite, but very few have symptoms because the immune system usually keeps the parasite from causing illness."
"Toxoplasmosis is considered one of the Neglected Parasitic Infections http://www.cdc.gov/parasites/npi.html, a group of five parasitic diseases that have been targeted by CDC for public health action."
Source - CDC -
ventolin^3 wrote:
eh ?
the chances coe caught toxoplasmosis from scooping cat sh!t/dodgy takeaway/contaminated meat or water are virtually nil
try this :
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/toxoplasmosis.html
You and your various other handles are collectively dumb MFs. Call yourself a doctor. Sh!thead.
T gondii oocysts, tachyzoites, and bradyzoites can cause infection in humans. Infection can occur by ingestion of oocysts following the handling of contaminated soil or cat litter or through the consumption of contaminated water or food sources (eg, unwashed garden vegetables). Transmission of tachyzoites to the fetus can occur via the placenta following primary maternal infection.
RARELY, infection by tachyzoites occurs from ingestion of unpasteurized milk or by direct entry into the bloodstream through a blood transfusion or laboratory accident. Transmission can also occur via ingestion of tissue cysts (bradyzoites) in undercooked or uncooked meat or through transplantation of an organ that contains tissue cysts. (Slaughterhouse workers and butchers may be at increased risk of infection.) In Europe and the United States, pork is the major source of T gondii infection in humans.
The seroprevalence of T gondii antibodies in the human population varies geographically, with prevalence rates approaching 90% in some European countries. -
An actual doctor wrote:
ventolin^3 wrote:
eh ?
the chances coe caught toxoplasmosis from scooping cat sh!t/dodgy takeaway/contaminated meat or water are virtually nil
try this :
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/toxoplasmosis.html
You and your various other handles are collectively dumb MFs. Call yourself a doctor. Sh!thead.
T gondii oocysts, tachyzoites, and bradyzoites can cause infection in humans. Infection can occur by ingestion of oocysts following the handling of contaminated soil or cat litter or through the consumption of contaminated water or food sources (eg, unwashed garden vegetables). Transmission of tachyzoites to the fetus can occur via the placenta following primary maternal infection.
RARELY, infection by tachyzoites occurs from ingestion of unpasteurized milk or by direct entry into the bloodstream through a blood transfusion or laboratory accident. Transmission can also occur via ingestion of tissue cysts (bradyzoites) in undercooked or uncooked meat or through transplantation of an organ that contains tissue cysts. (Slaughterhouse workers and butchers may be at increased risk of infection.) In Europe and the United States, pork is the major source of T gondii infection in humans.
The seroprevalence of T gondii antibodies in the human population varies geographically, with prevalence rates approaching 90% in some European countries.
Ventolin has been owned. -
Not a Coach wrote:
ventolin^3 wrote:
the chances coe caught toxoplasmosis from scooping cat sh!t/dodgy takeaway/contaminated meat or water are virtually nil
Which may explain why it took so long to diagnose
not too bright i see
what part of NOT oral ingestion for contraction you not comprehend ?
if not oral, impress me with how he got toxo
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Dear Venty,
The person who is "not too bright" would be you. I explained above the myriad ways you could get toxo in an area, Europe, where large numbers of the population have antibodies to toxo, indicating past exposure. The vast majority do not develop clinical disease.
Coe travelled and raced extensively in Europe (especially as the UK happens to be part of, you guessed it, Europe). If his immune system was banged about by the extremely hard training he did, he could have become ill with toxo, instead of just being an asymptomatic carrier.
Or perhaps you would prefer to believe he has AIDS to account for an immune deficiency. -
An actual doctor wrote:You and your various other handles are collectively dumb MFs. Call yourself a doctor. Sh!thead.
T gondii oocysts, tachyzoites, and bradyzoites can cause infection in humans. Infection can occur by ingestion of oocysts following the handling of contaminated soil or cat litter or through the consumption of contaminated water or food sources (eg, unwashed garden vegetables). Transmission of tachyzoites to the fetus can occur via the placenta following primary maternal infection.
RARELY, infection by tachyzoites occurs from ingestion of unpasteurized milk or by direct entry into the bloodstream through a blood transfusion or laboratory accident. Transmission can also occur via ingestion of tissue cysts (bradyzoites) in undercooked or uncooked meat or through transplantation of an organ that contains tissue cysts. (Slaughterhouse workers and butchers may be at increased risk of infection.) In Europe and the United States, pork is the major source of T gondii infection in humans.
The seroprevalence of T gondii antibodies in the human population varies geographically, with prevalence rates approaching 90% in some European countries.
you posted web
( offer your work )
if it was your original work, offer it
offer coe picked it up from non-oral route ??? -
Yet another example of Ventolin being proved wrong and not being man enough to actually admit to it. Quite sad really.
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An actual doctor wrote:Dear Venty,
The person who is "not too bright" would be you. I explained above the myriad ways you could get toxo in an area, Europe, where large numbers of the population have antibodies to toxo, indicating past exposure. The vast majority do not develop clinical disease
moron
if you actually had a clue about toxo, the affliction of adult population means nothing
it is acquirement of debilatating disease in his his 20s which shocks anyone with clue about toxoplasmosis
it doesn't afflict an adult unless exposed to
HUGE
Coe travelled and raced extensively in Europe (especially as the UK happens to be part of, you guessed it, Europe). If his immune system was banged about by the extremely hard training he did, he could have become ill with toxo, instead of just being an asymptomatic carrier
NO
it needs
HUGE
exposure to afflict a fit guy
fetch where coe claims he got toxo ???
Or perhaps you would prefer to believe he has AIDS to account for an immune deficiency
drivel
but he shouda been damn fuucking cautious in early/mid-'80s
they didn't screen for it back then & only seriously last 15 - 20y
to be honest, toxo in an adult in early-80's usually meant a death-sentence from associated
he's still alive so obviously no BAD illness
however
TOXOPLASMOSIS -
Dear Venty,
Yes, I posted from MedScape, an extremely reputable website written by medical specialists for doctors generally. I actually understood what I read, though. So I figured out that the chance of Coe being exposed to toxo through the environment was sufficiently high to make the assertion he got it from a blood transfusion to fanciful. -
too fanciful.
Only saw your above post now. It appears your BAL is rising rapidly, or are your cannibinoid receptors supersaturated. Or possibly the neurosyphilis is more active than usual.
If he were going to blood dope, I presume he would use HIS OWN BLOOD, so he wouldn't pick up anything nasty from himself, would he? -
An actual doctor wrote:
Dear Venty,
Yes, I posted from MedScape, an extremely reputable website written by medical specialists for doctors generally. I actually understood what I read, though. So I figured out that the chance of Coe being exposed to toxo through the environment was sufficiently high to make the assertion he got it from a blood transfusion to fanciful.
you figured wrong
an adult athlete in western world can't acquire toxoplasmosis from oral ingestion enough to wreck him for that much for '83
