How come this has turned into a discussion of Tim Hutchings running credentials, rather than about the fantastic world record?
The race was in its 24th edition, so I doubt there was a problem with the course length. The male runners weren't exceptionally fast either (Eliud Kipchoge won in 60:52 PB from 2012 is 59:25), nor were the other female runners particularly fast (but they weren't at Kiplagat's level).
I don't think the course will turn out to be short, and there is no chance of a timing error of this magnitude.
A shame that Hutchings doesn't specify what he finds "dodgy".
Tim Hutchings tweets that new women's 13.1 WRecord by Florence Kiplagat "might be dodgy"
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Is there anyone who doesn't run for a proven doping country?
trollism wrote:
get used to it. wrote:
regardless of his running credentials, if he is just spreading gossip and doesn't have any proof you should shut the hell up.
Despite the fact that she runs for a proven doping country, I don't think he was implying doping.
Or he was? I don't really know. -
Like a dumb Bieber fan, Tim Hutchings likes to start #$%^ on twitter. It really brings him down a notch in my books. He is acting more and more like a FOX journalist with each passing race. For example, he brought up some supposed "advantage" that Priscah Jeptoo may have had in the NYC Marathon with this tweet. Luckily no one took the bait...
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Copw;l wrote:
He actually doesn't have some good insights into what is going on and the poster was right, looks like he couldn't win gold in his career outside of mud.
Cowardly statement from Hutchings, bordering on racism.
Right, because we all know that if you can't win a gold medal at the Olympics, you can't have any insight on track and field. Furthermore, if you have run XC and track at the world class level and you offer some insight on an African athlete, you are bordering on racism.
That is why I never offer any opinions. That, and I never ran 7:40 or 13:11 or ran in the Olympics and World Championships or World Cross Country Championships.
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[quote]get used to it. wrote:
regardless of his running credentials, if he is just spreading gossip and doesn't have any proof you should shut the hell up.
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Querfeldein wrote:
A shame that Hutchings doesn't specify what he finds "dodgy".
I hate when people do this. If you know something, say it. If you aren't certain enough to put out the details, don't say it. -
McMillan's running calculator says it's worth 29:15 for 10k which is 16 seconds faster than Wang's questionable WR. With so many American records and women's WRs falling, it seems like something is going on. If we ignore it, it may be like watching Sosa, Bonds, and McGuire hitting 65+ HRs in a season without any skepticism.
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_This_ wrote:
[quote]get used to it. wrote:
regardless of his running credentials, if he is just spreading gossip and doesn't have any proof you should shut the hell up.
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+1
It's his twitter handle, and he can say whatever the hell he wants. -
RRRR wrote:
_This_ wrote:
[quote]get used to it. wrote:
regardless of his running credentials, if he is just spreading gossip and doesn't have any proof you should shut the hell up.
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+1
It's his twitter handle, and he can say whatever the hell he wants.
Of course he can. But that was never in dispute.
The question is whether he actually knows anything, and if not is it appropriate and/or "douchey" to do so. -
Leneen wrote:
Like a dumb Bieber fan, Tim Hutchings likes to start #$%^ on twitter. It really brings him down a notch in my books. He is acting more and more like a FOX journalist with each passing race. For example, he brought up some supposed "advantage" that Priscah Jeptoo may have had in the NYC Marathon with this tweet. Luckily no one took the bait...
https://twitter.com/TimHutchings1/status/397503753659891712
I wondered the same thing about the cyclist. When Marla Runyan ran the marathon with a guide there were all kinds of over-the-top restrictions on the guide. Now some "random" person riding a bike on the course tells Jeptoo her deficit and off she goes. Didn't seem kosher to me either. -
I am friend of Tim Hutchings, but this time I can't agree with him, not because Florence Kiptagat is a my athlete, but because there is no any analysis in what he wrote.
The fact the improvement was so big doesn't mean something was wrong in the race.
In 1965, Ron Clarke improved is WR of 10000m (without any pacer) from 28:15 to 27:39, and 36.0 in 10000m are equivalent to 1:15 in HM : somebody can suppose the track was shorter ?
In 1968 Bob Beamon improved the WR of long jump from 8.35 to 8.90 : somebody supposed the meter was too short ?
Great performances are blessed by particular situations of perfect conditions (shape of the athlete, weather, in case of road races type of course and quality of tarmac, pacers, mental tranquillity, etc...), that can allow athletes to achieve performances of unbelievable level.
Barcelona was one of these opportunities.
The fact she ran only 4:20 slower than Eliud Kipchoge (winner in 60:52) and was number 4 in the full race, defeating all the Spanish male runners, can explain enough the ecceptionality of the performance, without having any doubt.
Tim normally is able to analyse the development of a race for having nice technical explanations.
In this case, he was superficial and spoke without knowing any thing, putting in the mind of people the seed of doubt, that is the worst thing for a commentator. -
Proof positive that Tim Hutchings was never a winner, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Hutchings
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Thanks for the post, Coach Canova. I agree with you entirely with respect to the impropriety of Hutchings' comments. But could you please explain this section below--I don't quite get your point here. Do you mean these facts of her performance are why there is so much skepticism? What do you mean when you say, "without having any doubt"?
[quote]Renato Canova wrote:
The fact she ran only 4:20 slower than Eliud Kipchoge (winner in 60:52) and was number 4 in the full race, defeating all the Spanish male runners, can explain enough the ecceptionality of the performance, without having any doubt.
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Renato Canova wrote:
I am friend of Tim Hutchings, but this time I can't agree with him, not because Florence Kiptagat is a my athlete, but because there is no any analysis in what he wrote.
The fact the improvement was so big doesn't mean something was wrong in the race.
In 1965, Ron Clarke improved is WR of 10000m (without any pacer) from 28:15 to 27:39, and 36.0 in 10000m are equivalent to 1:15 in HM : somebody can suppose the track was shorter ?
In 1968 Bob Beamon improved the WR of long jump from 8.35 to 8.90 : somebody supposed the meter was too short ?
Great performances are blessed by particular situations of perfect conditions (shape of the athlete, weather, in case of road races type of course and quality of tarmac, pacers, mental tranquillity, etc...), that can allow athletes to achieve performances of unbelievable level.
Barcelona was one of these opportunities.
The fact she ran only 4:20 slower than Eliud Kipchoge (winner in 60:52) and was number 4 in the full race, defeating all the Spanish male runners, can explain enough the ecceptionality of the performance, without having any doubt.
Tim normally is able to analyse the development of a race for having nice technical explanations.
In this case, he was superficial and spoke without knowing any thing, putting in the mind of people the seed of doubt, that is the worst thing for a commentator.
Hello Renato. What was the body of work that lead to this
record?
Were there any key workouts that told you something special
was going to happen? -
she is dirty
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trollism wrote:
Despite the fact that she runs for a proven doping country, I don't think he was implying doping.
Or he was? I don't really know.
She runs for Great Britain? -
Renato Canova wrote:
In 1968 Bob Beamon improved the WR of long jump from 8.35 to 8.90 : somebody supposed the meter was too short ?
It was a great performance, but not nearly as good as it is usually taken to be. First, the performance impacts of that much altitude were not really understood at the time, and still tend not to be fully appreciated (thank goodness it has generally become 'inappropriate' to try to set altitude-assisted records).
In addition, the wind was reported as 2.0mps, giving more assistance. However, it is very likely that the wind was actually over 2.0mps because the person reporting the wind apparently misunderstood and rounded down all the readings to the nearest integer meter per second. There is a long thread about this on the Track and Field News board, with postings by people and officials (I think) that were there.
Because the 'heavens opened up' a couple minutes later and it pored for the rest of the competition you did not see other very long jumps which would have put the performance in a little better perspective. The TJ WR was broken multiple times in that competition. -
Ha ha!
The Uk has a far better record in terms of lack of drug users in middle and distance running than Ethiopia, as well as having had far more stringent and vigorous testing since the early 80's. -
To the Limit wrote:
The Uk has a far better record in terms of lack of drug users in middle and distance running than Ethiopia, as well as having had far more stringent and vigorous testing since the early 80's.
So far they've not outed Coe, Cram, Ovett, Radcliffe, Hutchings and quite a few others. -
Congratulations to you Renato and to Florence. I don't visit twitter, but by all accounts it sounds even worse that letsrun.
