It would be suicide for Farah to run at WR pace in London

I don't see Farah not going with the pace. If he doesn't he is going to be in no man's land. London is going to have pacers for the lead pack aiming for a WR. The next group of pacers is for the British athletes aiming for a sub 2:10. Farah has no choice but to go with the pace. This will lead to a hugh blow up. Boston would have been a much better debut for him. There is too much that can go wrong at London because of the fast pace.

DNF. Not a track race and the pace will chew him up. Oh, and then he'll do a workout.

Any ideas on what Farah's post-race workout will be? Maybe some 3:45 1500m repeats? Maybe a couple just one 13:15 5k?

DNF

runner who professes wrote:

DNF. Not a track race and the pace will chew him up. Oh, and then he'll do a workout.

I doubt he will DNF, doesn't London have a clause in their contracts that greatly reduces a runner's appearance fee if they don't finish? I thought that was why we see guys like Tadese running 2:12+ after falling off and instead of dropping out they just jog in the last 4-6 miles and collect their check.

v6 wrote:

I still don't really get why Farah is moving up to the marathon at the moment, but say what you will about Alberto's methods, he isn't a dumb coach. He's one of the smartest coaches in the world and is extremely deliberate in how he works. Farah won't aim for WR pace unless he can keep it up for the whole race. And I wouldn't be surprised to see him burn a crazy time his first marathon.

For the record, I don't think he'll aim for anywhere near WR pace in London. I think he'll try to run around 2:05, which I think he is capable of.

re:"I still don't really get why Farah is moving up to the marathon at the moment"

Money, lots of money...Farah is being paid a King's ransome.

TrackCoach wrote: Money, lots of money...

Farah must have eye on some easy targets--four records in a single race:

European Marathon Record: 2:06:36 by António Pinto set in 2000 in the London Marathon.

British Marathon Record: 2:07:13 by Steve Jones set in 1985 on an aided course (Chicago).

If London officially times at the 25km and 30km marks, then Farah can also take over Steve Jones' intermediate times set at the same marathon as Jones' 2:07:13.

British 25km Record: 1:13:30

British 30km Record: 1:28:40

v6 wrote:

Alberto's He's one of the smartest coaches in the world and is extremely deliberate in how he works.

In the marathon?

Alberto has coached top level runners for a decade. Please share his 5 best MALE marathon performances.

He will have plenty of juice to keep him going.

It has been a while (weeks) since an AlSal athlete has set a record, so Farah will go for it. Farah has to go for it before someone discovers the secret sauce. Rupp can easily take a dive during a mile record attempt, but Farah cant do the same for the marathon. AlSal will be willing to take another chance before the heat gets turned up again. Guys like Virgin know that something is amiss.

truth hurts wrote:

DNF

Would need to take a look at the contract. DNS may be more likely than DNF in certain situations (aside from the obvious one of injury).

P White wrote:

Farah to limp home in 2.07 after a 61.30 half?

buddy puddy wrote:

He'll blow up and run 2:07. Marathon very humbling experience sometimes.

A 2:07 would be neither "limping home" nor "blowing up." That is still a solid debut for anybody.

Providence Proud wrote:

v6 wrote:

Alberto's He's one of the smartest coaches in the world and is extremely deliberate in how he works.

In the marathon?

Alberto has coached top level runners for a decade. Please share his 5 best MALE marathon performances.

The concepts of distance training don't change that much from 10K to the marathon. You tweak workouts a little, you up mileage a little. If you don't think he can coach a marathon despite his 10K and half-marathon results, I don't know what to tell ya, bub.

Not to mention Alberto ran a few decent marathons himself back in the day..

It is about the records wrote:

If London officially times at the 25km and 30km marks, then Farah can also take over Steve Jones' intermediate times set at the same marathon as Jones' 2:07:13.

British 25km Record: 1:13:30

British 30km Record: 1:28:40

Also worth noting that Steve Jones went out suicidally fast. Those 25/30k records are both 2:04 pace.

v6 wrote:

Providence Proud wrote:

In the marathon?

Alberto has coached top level runners for a decade. Please share his 5 best MALE marathon performances.

The concepts of distance training don't change that much from 10K to the marathon. You tweak workouts a little, you up mileage a little. If you don't think he can coach a marathon despite his 10K and half-marathon results, I don't know what to tell ya, bub.

Not to mention Alberto ran a few decent marathons himself back in the day..

I noticed that you ducked the question. Then what are his 5 biggest success stories in coaching MALE marathoners over the last decade? THANKS FOR PLAYING.

Ritzenhein, 2:07 off relatively low mileage.

Hey brother wrote:

Ritzenhein, 2:07 off relatively low mileage.

YOU STILL HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME COMPREHENDING.

Name 5 during his last decade of coaching elite MEN.

HardLoper wrote:

P White wrote:

Farah to limp home in 2.07 after a 61.30 half?

buddy puddy wrote:

He'll blow up and run 2:07. Marathon very humbling experience sometimes.

A 2:07 would be neither "limping home" nor "blowing up." That is still a solid debut for anybody.

I think if you go through half in 61.30 or 61.45 and come in 66 mins to run 2.07.xx with last couple of miles very slow then it counts as both 'blowing up' and 'limping home'.

I'm not saying 2.07 is not a solid debut or not good running but if you go for WR pace to say 33km and run 2.07 mid then you have blown up.

IS it possible for GEB to feel good at 30km and keep going and win?? not impossible. Although I recon he will be just pacing as a training run for his own marathon.

Mo could sit back off the pace perhaps. the pacmaker could even be there to blow people up onpurpose who go off at 2.02 pace

hotrod wrote:

IS it possible for GEB to feel good at 30km and keep going and win?? not impossible. Although I recon he will be just pacing as a training run for his own marathon.

Mo could sit back off the pace perhaps. the pacmaker could even be there to blow people up onpurpose who go off at 2.02 pace

Has Geb ever won a really competitive marathon? He could not win London in 3 attempts and ran track in Beijing when had no hope of winning on it.

His wins were generally pure time trials where there was little effort to put together a deep field. I would it is impossible for him it win.