Potential disaster at 2014 USA Indoors? Straight 1500 final and there are 22 women, 18 men already in each race

idij wrote:

You guys are so retarded. The USATF clearly states that only indoor times can be used to satisfy the time standards. Outdoor times (Rowbury's case) do not satisfy that criteria.

Via Rule 8 USATF also allows WC qualification standards which include an outdoor time standard (4:03.5 for women's 1500 vs Rowbury's 4:01.x).

This topic was beat to death on this thread:

* You can NOT qualify for the U.S. Indoor Champs with an outdoor time (except for the Rule 8 exceptions below).

* You CAN qualify for the World Championships (i.e. achieve the standard) with an outdoor time, but those time are different than the indoor times one must achieve.

* Here's the text from the USATF COMPETITION RULES FOR RULE 8 (it does NOT give you a seed time, however).

AUTOMATIC QUALIFICATION

Automatic qualification, as listed in this section, shall not abrogate any entry requirements

other than the qualifying requirements for a championship. Any athlete who attains any of the following shall be afforded automatic qualification into a USA Indoor, Outdoor, Race

Walking or Marathon Championship or USA Olympic Team Selection in the same event in

which the performance was attained:

1. Track and Field -

(a) During the current or four previous calendar years, earned an individual medal in

track and field in an Olympic Games or in an IAAF World Indoor or Outdoor

Championship.

(b) Is the reigning USA Indoor or Outdoor champion.

(c) Has a World or Olympic ‘A’ Standard that would apply to the current championship

team selection.

(d) Finish as one of the top three at the preceding year’s corresponding national

championship (Indoor qualifies for Indoor, Outdoor qualifies for Outdoor).

If those are the rules then can you explain how Tommy Schmitz got into the 3k?

How the hell should I know?

Folks:

I have posted many, many times before and will again. As someone who has actually sat in the USATF meetings, and been blown away by their total and absolute cluelessness none of this should come as a surprise. Seriously, I laugh when I think about people making these decisions and their utter lack of basic knowledge about the sport. Idea's that they come up with would make anyone with any semblance of knowledge about track & field go……huh!!!

The 1500 decision fits perfectly with how they run their show, incompetent and clueless. Unfortunately the athletes are always the ones who suffer.

And by the way, if any of you think that the major players in the sport (Nike, etc) don't weigh in and get things changed in their favor then you are dreaming.

Let's try to clear it up wrote wrote:

wut wrote:

If those are the rules then can you explain how Tommy Schmitz got into the 3k?

How the hell should I know?

2013 USA Indoors 3K results

Place Athlete Name Affiliation Time

1 Will Leer Nike 8:07.84

2 Benjamin Bruce adidas 8:16.69

3 Tommy Schmitz Unattached 8:30.92

4 Cole Atkins ZAP Fitness Reebok 8:35.78