#GodHatesFootball
http://godhatesfootball23.blogspot.com/2013_04_01_archive.html
The sports that have the biggest perceived drug problems are the ones that do the most to get rid of their drug problems. Testing well = positive tests = bad PR. The NFL has strong incentive to continue their sham tests unless people
STOP WATCHING!
This makes me wonder if he ever saw the label. Maybe the cream was always applied for him, or it was somehow repackaged.
Mr. Obvious wrote:
I guess it is true, it really is like failing an intelligence test:
The label on the cream Gay is believed to have used starkly says “Testosterone/DHEA Crème,” and lists testosterone and DHEA among its ingredients. DHEA is a hormone converted in the body to testosterone, and both DHEA and testosterone are banned for Olympic athletes. Two other listed ingredients, IGF-1 and somatropin — another name for human growth hormone — are also forbidden.
#nosympathy
[quote]Nutella1 wrote:
If you think Tyson Gay tested positive only for DHEA then I can't help you.
The fact that you can dope whichever way you like in the NFL doesn't matter. The NFL is basically a "show" and not so much a sport while Track and Field is supervised by the IOC.
And yes, Tyson guy is an idiot. And he is really sorry ... about being caught![/quot
Track and field is not supervised by the IOC
Note to brojos: that is the kind of journalism letsrun should be doing / promoting / paying people for. Why does SI get the scoop? That should be the kind of thing letsrun is bringing up. The Mark Block stuff is amateur hour compared to epsteins reporting.
Step it up a level wejo/rojo.
krispy kremlin wrote:
I question whether the NFL is really worried about their players.
Drugs/roids in the NFL make for a faster, harder-hitting, more-intense product that has staying power for 4 quarters/16 games+. If you take the PEDs out of the equations, it is my belief, that the game would slow-down/be less intense. It wouldn't be as dramatic as switching from NBA to WNBA but game-to-game, week-to-week, season-to-season the "product" wouldn't be as "good".
Same goes for cycling, NBA, MLB. Doped cyclists make the Tour exciting by attacking the mountains; these are synthetic performances but they make for captivating television. Take out the PEDs and we're back to regular "human" performances. You or I might not mind that; and instead focus on the mano-a-mano competition with all its flaws and failures. For better or worse, we're living in a "doped society" (sports, study-aids, cosmetic surgery, etc) where anything less than super-human is inadequate - track/NFL are just closer to being honest about it.
#dopedSociety
This is ridiculous and you clearly don't understand the TdF. Do you actually think that riders didn't attack the hills before the advent of drugs? Please. If anything, not having drugs has more drama and makes the race more exciting because the risk of blowing up and ruining your tour is much greater. With drugs, you can hammer all out and then recover for the next day's ride after a nice pharma treatment that night. You can't do that without drugs, which makes a lot more drama. Moreover, it's not like any spectators can tell the difference between someone climbing 2mph faster while on drugs. It's the same thing with the NFL. Do you think that you actually can tell if the WR you are watching can run a 40 in 4.4 but 25 years ago the WR for the same team was running the 40 in 4.6?
The other double standard: an American tests positive and a doctor is blamed, the doping happening unintentionally. Any athlete from any other country uses the same excuse and it's B.S.
The only double standard is that football doesn't mind a reputation for doping, and athletics does.
The WADA's role on paper is to combat doping, but its real function is only to repair and enhance the reputations of sports that want to conceal their dope use. To do so, it need only catch a few people using older drugs, and occasional screw-ups like Gay and Powell. This makes everyone it doesn't catch look clean.
If on the other hand it were to go after all the dopers and catch them, the reputation of the sport would be destroyed, probably never to recover, and it would go into who-cares mode like football. Then WADA would be out of business.
What incentive do anti-dopers have to succeed when they'll be out of a job if they do? Obviously they know about all the newer drugs. With all the reduced bans they've handed out, they must have plenty of informants. But they won't do anything about it until they have to, by which time there will be even newer stuff. They are purposely refusing to catch up.
Real point.... NFL and MLB fans claim that their sports are skill sports and that is why their athletes do not need drugs. Track is considered a freak of nature sport that requires only performance and no skill, that is why track athletes use drugs.\\\
The truth is that NFL and MLB do not test for half the stuff their athletes are taking in order to give the appearance that drugs are not needed.
Maximus2 wrote:
This is ridiculous and you clearly don't understand the TdF. Do you actually think that riders didn't attack the hills before the advent of drugs? Please. If anything, not having drugs has more drama and makes the race more exciting because the risk of blowing up and ruining your tour is much greater.
When is this mythical era before the advent of drugs? Cyclists have been using drugs in the TdF since it started. Surely you don't think drug use in the TdF has ceased?
Why would anyone care if the NFL has a different standard than those sports whose doping programs must comply with WADA's ideals?
Try to think critically guys; WADA ain't some impartial, apolitical organization.
The double standard is how Letsrun treats some tainted athletes differently than others.
LRC will often write "drug cheat Mary Slaney".
But I don't suspect Tyson Gay will get the same treatment.
Mr. Obvious wrote:
Maximus2 wrote:This is ridiculous and you clearly don't understand the TdF. Do you actually think that riders didn't attack the hills before the advent of drugs? Please. If anything, not having drugs has more drama and makes the race more exciting because the risk of blowing up and ruining your tour is much greater.
When is this mythical era before the advent of drugs? Cyclists have been using drugs in the TdF since it started. Surely you don't think drug use in the TdF has ceased?
The riders weren't doping in 1903. The mile record was 4:12 in 1903 so don't tell me that the cyclists knew how to dope but the runners didn't. Drug use hasn't ceased but it is a lot less rampant than in the 80s and 90s. When the doping started is irrelevant in debunking the notion that the TdF is more popular when the riders are faster, can climb faster, recover faster and have less risk of a blow-up.
Maximus2 wrote:
Mr. Obvious wrote:When is this mythical era before the advent of drugs? Cyclists have been using drugs in the TdF since it started. Surely you don't think drug use in the TdF has ceased?
The riders weren't doping in 1903. The mile record was 4:12 in 1903 so don't tell me that the cyclists knew how to dope but the runners didn't. Drug use hasn't ceased but it is a lot less rampant than in the 80s and 90s. When the doping started is irrelevant in debunking the notion that the TdF is more popular when the riders are faster, can climb faster, recover faster and have less risk of a blow-up.
Yes, they were doping in 1903. Strychnine, ether, and other substances.
Ricky Pound wrote:
Why would anyone care if the NFL has a different standard than those sports whose doping programs must comply with WADA's ideals?
Try to think critically guys; WADA ain't some impartial, apolitical organization.
This. Drug testing standards in track are different than the NFL. Everybody knows this.
Darrell F. wrote:
Ricky Pound wrote:Why would anyone care if the NFL has a different standard than those sports whose doping programs must comply with WADA's ideals?
Try to think critically guys; WADA ain't some impartial, apolitical organization.
This. Drug testing standards in track are different than the NFL. Everybody knows this.
Yeah, it's awesome how rojo came here and posted a thread about this "double standard" and everybody told him that wasn't what a double standard is and then he went and labeled an article on the front page that anyway.
That label so clearly shows DHEA. He had to know he was doing something illegal.
He probably just thought the doc found a way to dodge testing.
#GeneticEngineeringIsComing
- DHEA isn't performance enhancing.
- The NFL is a business, and very successful.
- T&F is amateur hour, run by cannibals.
- The fusion of genetic, nanotech and robotic advancement is going to blow sport as we know it into a thing of the past. It's not far off. No point in getting your panties in a wad in the meantime; go with the flow of society and let the adults dope if they want to.
The label says Testosterone and IGF-1. Both are clearly banned.
Why are the Brojos defending this CHEATER?
What is their agenda in this case?
Nutella1 wrote:
The label says Testosterone and IGF-1. Both are clearly banned.
Why are the Brojos defending this CHEATER?
What is their agenda in this case?
Seriously. I'm no big Salazar fan, but if you put Rupp or Farah in Gay's place, I'm pretty sure the Bros wouldn't be focusing on the fact that NFLers were receiving the benefit of a double standard.
The main fact of the story, to me, clearly seems to be this: Tyson Gay is a cheat. Just because a bunch of people in a different sport are getting away with something doesn't change Gay's guilt.
Leaving aside the straw man of the double standard, what gets me is that NFL players can have access to qualified people to assist them and yet many seem to align themselves with charlatans.