GENZEBE DIBABA 3000m WORLD RECORD 8.16

"Dibaba covered the final 2000m in 5:27.95 – more than two seconds quicker than the world indoor record for that event."

That's also only two seconds slower than the outdoor world record by Sonia O' Sullivan.

Doped to the gills. Someone take this dopper down!

The only way to succeed in life is too cheat. It's certainly not possible that other people actually work harder than you do. That'd be unfathomable. I personally have set plenty of PRs and felt like a million bucks afterwards. That's what happens when you work hard. I also grew up at altitude 6000' so I don't suck wind like the rest of you.YOUR MINDS ARE SO SMALL. Ironically, it's mind boggling.

grox wrote:

I'll go hang myself now.

Think about it.. I am a male that has run 3:58 and 8:26, so I can see 3:55 and 8:16. My 8:26 wasn't the best race (went out too hard).

She is clean.

grox wrote:

LM wrote:

+1

Of all the reasons to say someome is doping finishing fresh has got to be one of the stupidest ones ever.

Did you ever finish a PR race feeling completely fresh?

I find it hard to believe it is possible without chemical assistance. Now, maybe authorised painkillers are enough.

There have been times where I ran a PR and felt better than other races, especially really poor ones. No, I haven't felt completely fresh by any means, but when there is a clock right there and you notice you have set a huge PR...you do get a nice little boost.

I also think it is important to remember that when athletes race nowadays if they are doping...the drugs are not in the system at the time because of testing. The race itself is run "clean", the doping happens around the race and during the training.

Worth noting that in this race she seemed wiped pretty quickly at the end. A few seconds later it hit her and she went down sitting.

The time of course is fast as hell, and when you start running near times that only known dopers have run...well that obviously is pretty damn suspicious. I just think "had some energy after the race" is not a strong piece of evidence an athlete is doping.

its true its true wrote:

She's just as clean as Makhloufi!

Who we still don't know about. He has run 3:30. Good, but not spectacular. He won at the Olympics, but again nothing THAT spectacular, running a 52 high last lap in a 3:33 race.

I'd argue that everyone else in that race was pretty subpar as Kiprop was injured, and the whole Kenyan team was generally subpar possibly related to the forced training.

Makhloufi honestly hasn't done anything that made me think "must be a doper". He has run 3:30 and beat a weak field (due to injury, etc.) in the Olympics with an unimpressive time and not especially great kick.

Who knows if she's actually clean, but she does come from maybe the most gifted family of female long distance runners in history. He sister doesn't need an introduction, but they're also cousins of Derartu Tulu for God's sake. Not to mention the fact that she's not even 23 years old yet. She was already a gifted 1500-meter runner capable running well under 4:00, it just seemed she lacked the strength to end track seasons as strongly as she started them. There was a 5000 early in last year's Diamond League where she absolutely crushed Defar on the bell lap because the wasn't paced to favor the 5k strength over 1500-meter speed. Granted, Defar didn't make that mistake the next time they raced and Genzebe's lack of strength was exposed. And she was toast by the time the WCs rolled around. Which comes back to her age. At 22, is it really so far-fetched to think that she learned a good lesson and spent all winter working on her strength? Just an observation that stands out to me, she's always looked different than say Defar, or her sister for that matter, in that she has a lower body is much more reminiscent of a sprinter than a distance runner. Yet she has the lean upper body of a distance runner. Could that, along with the fact that she's still maturing into her physical prime, play a part in "suddenly" being so explosive at 3k and below? I don't think it's inconceivable that a woman her age, from her family gene pool and of her physical characteristics could make significant gains in her performance.

didoper needs diban wrote:

wasn't even breathing. they literally pushed her down, she just messed with her shoe, talking normally. right before she was already posing for pics looking fresh as a daisy. ooops, get down and act tired!

Messing with her shoes is just a way of pleasing her sponsor.

the Dibabas are Didopers wrote:

that is 26 seconds faster than Barringer/Simpson's PR...

She'd LAP Hasay in a 3K.....

Ya, and its American runners that are doping... NOT!!!

Simpson is a great miler but slower than Defar evne on her best distance due to both inferior 800m speed and 5000m endurance - the double whammy

Hasay don't make me laugh, a good runner but not in their class, you would expect here to ge lapped

heyyo wrote:

The only way to succeed in life is too cheat.

It helps a lot, yes. And in athletics, it may be a requirement.

heyyo wrote:

It's certainly not possible that other people actually work harder than you do. That'd be unfathomable.

I personally have set plenty of PRs and felt like a million bucks afterwards. That's what happens when you work hard. I also grew up at altitude 6000' so I don't suck wind like the rest of you.

YOUR MINDS ARE SO SMALL. Ironically, it's mind boggling.

So you know about my training and the altitude at which I was born, and can compare?

But if you tell me at altitude people don't need to breathe... Actually not being from a high altitude place, I'll have to take your word for it, I guess.

Hard work is good. The harder, the better. (What religion is this? Do you think there must be some sort of justice?) (Hard... except in races, that must look like a walk in the park.) And of course: dopers are just taking a short-cut because they are lazy.

We've heard it already.

Hate to say it, but there is absolutely no way she (or the rest of that training group) is clean. Records don't just get broken like that. I mean Defar and T. Dibaba ran 14:12 and 14:11 and now G. Dibaba is 7 seconds faster than the best 3k the two of them ever ran? I tend to be cynical of absurd times, but this is just ridiculous.

LM wrote:He won at the Olympics, but again nothing THAT spectacular, running a 52 high last lap in a 3:33 race

he ran about 19m extra distance in a tactical 3'34 race

that is spectacular

Makhloufi honestly hasn't done anything that made me think "must be a doper". He has run 3:30 and beat a weak field (due to injury, etc.) in the Olympics with an unimpressive time and not especially great kick.

no

he was probably in 3'26/3'27 shape that day

he didn't look like that in his 3'30pb race earlier where he was about 5th

he also ran aman desperately close in a 800 after jogging at the back for 200 & blasting next 600

he probably was also in 1'42-low shape in london & wouda probably got bronze if he'd run that instead

If she's clean, what could she run doped? Sub 8:00?

A ton of talent makes a really fast runner.

A ton of talent plus doping makes a world beater.

yyy wrote:

seems most people here are jealous.

Doesn't it though?

One of the most commonly held arguments here by folks about doping is that, outside the marathon, WRs haven't been broken since the 90's. So, clearly, the athletes in the 90's had to be doping. Now, when people DON'T break records, it shows the earlier athletes were doping. When people DO break records, it shows THEY'RE doping.

Not a single person on this thread has the faintest idea whether Genzebe is doping or not. Not one. Some of you folks look worse than Ken Ham did the other night.

That was absolutely spectacular. TDibaba was already my favorite (female) runner, but in a few years, who knows? It's sad there's so much negative speculation on this board. For me, though, after what happened to Gay and how crappy I felt afterwards, I don't blame anyone for the accusations. However, I prefer to believe that the Dibabas are clean.

We will never know if Wang was clean. All we know is that if you train that hard you will undoubtedly burn out your career. If you train sensibly, as dibaba has your career will last longer. Possibly bordering on racism to say that a Chinese runner can't attain what an East African can

grox wrote:

LM wrote:

+1

Of all the reasons to say someome is doping finishing fresh has got to be one of the stupidest ones ever.

Did you ever finish a PR race feeling completely fresh?

Yes. Feeling incredible leading to PRs... not too difficult a concept.

ukathleticscoach wrote:

the Dibabas are Didopers wrote:

that is 26 seconds faster than Barringer/Simpson's PR...

She'd LAP Hasay in a 3K.....

Ya, and its American runners that are doping... NOT!!!

Simpson is a great miler but slower than Defar evne on her best distance due to both inferior 800m speed and 5000m endurance - the double whammy

Hasay don't make me laugh, a good runner but not in their class, you would expect here to ge lapped

Would get lapped, but she'd be a class act while getting lapped!

Equivalents

1500M: 03:52

3000M: 08:16

5000M: 14:23

10^4M: 29:55

She ran 9:26 for 3000M as a 15 year old at 7500' in Addis Ababa, which converts to a sea-level 8:51, supposedly.

At 16 years old she ran 15:53 for 5000' in NY, NY.

At 17 years old she ran 15:02 for 5000' in Oslo.

At 20 years old she ran 14:37 for 5000' in Oslo.

Personally, I find this believable, and for those talking about the effort involved; I've never set a PR and not had it feel easy. Sure, it's super intense, but it feels good and it's like you get lost in it. It's when you aren't super fit that it hurts and you look like crap.

If you don't believe this "world record" (which is funny to call it as such considering running under a roof somehow designates a totally different world!) what do you think the absolute limit is and what sort of progression is believable to you if G.Dibaba's isn't?

I would expect a very bright future for a 15 year old running 8:51c for 3000m whose older sister won the World XC Champs that same year ('06) as well as finished 2nd in the 3000m and 1st in the 5000m at the World Athletics Final.

With a build clearly suited for a bit more speed, who didn't see this coming?