Do you think Dibaba's 1500 WR is clean?

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  • MA JUREN
    6 years ago 02/03/2014 12:17am CST
    re: HardLoper
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    HardLoper wrote:

    fred wrote:

    Do you think any women's 1500 record has EVER been clean?

    Chinese factories are cranking out the peptides and a
    world class coach is teaching them the latest training
    techniques and periodization.

    What do you think is going to happen at the next Olympics?

    Really fred? Chinese factories cranking out the peptides??

    1500 m
    (limit: 4:30.0h)
    1 4:12.32 Zhao Jing 9 Jul 88 1 NG Shenyang 8 Sep 4:10.67 -11
    2 4:13.67 Liu Fang 25 Feb 90 174/52 7 World Chall Beijing 21 May 4:07.90 -11
    3 4:14.12 Zheng Xiaolin 17 Apr 89 162/40 3 NG Shenyang 8 Sep 4:16.74 -12
    4 4:14.44 Liu Qing 28 Apr 86 168/57 4 NG Shenyang 8 Sep 4:04.00 -05
    5 4:15.10 Xue Fei 8 Aug 89 164/45 5 NG Shenyang 8 Sep 4:08.87 -08
    6 4:15.46 Xu Qiuzi 8 Feb 91 165/55 6 NG Shenyang 8 Sep 4:12.75 -11
    7 4:16.09 Li Yong 18 Jun 88 163/51 7 NG Shenyang 8 Sep 4:12.11 -09
    8 4:17.28 Jin Yuan 11 Feb 88 168/49 8 NG Shenyang 8 Sep 4:11.66 -06
    9 4:18.17 Cong Linlin 13 Nov 91 171/50 3 NC Suzhou 30 May 4:17.83 -12
    10 4:18.70 Wang Mei 22 Dec 93 4 NC Suzhou 30 May 4:22.29 -11
    11 4:21.56 Yao Jienuo 18 Aug 93 9 NG Shenyang 8 Sep 4:25.24 -11
    12 4:22.24 Wang Yanfei 30 Jun 93 5h1 NG Shenyang 7 Sep 4:16.88 -12
    13 4:22.72 Zhang Xiaojun 15 Mar 92 3h1 NC Suzhou 29 May 4:17.12 -12
    14 4:22.96 Zhang Sige 20 Oct 87 168/49 4h1 NC Suzhou 29 May 4:15.86 -12
    15 4:23.14 Li Zhenzhu 13 Dec 85 168/45 5h1 NC Suzhou 29 May 4:14.57 -04


    5000 m
    (limit: 16:30.0h)
    1 15:30.61 Wei Xiaojie 20 Nov 89 1 NC Suzhou 1 Jun 15:52.57 -12
    2 15:42.51 Liu Ruihuan 29 Jun 92 2 NC Suzhou 1 Jun 15:51.04 -12
    3 15:48.03 Ding Changqin 27 Nov 91 3 NC Suzhou 1 Jun 15:42.23 -12
    4 15:48.45 Sun Ran 10 May 91 1h1 NG Shenyang 7 Sep
    5 15:49.14 Jiang Xiaoli 6 Apr 89 164/49 1 NG Shenyang 9 Sep 15:41.94 -12
    6 15:49.22 Cao Mojie 10 Apr 92 2 NG Shenyang 9 Sep 15:39.76 -12
    7 15:49.47 Xue Fei 8 Aug 89 164/45 3 NG Shenyang 9 Sep 15:02.73 -07
    8 15:49.54 Li Zhenzhu 13 Dec 85 168/45 3h1 NG Shenyang 7 Sep 16:13.44 -03
    9 15:49.68 Xiao Huimin 1 Mar 92 4h1 NG Shenyang 7 Sep 15:38.15 -12
    10 15:51.37 Zhang Xinyan 9 Feb 94 1h2 NG Shenyang 7 Sep 16:45.49 -12
    11 15:52.74 Zhang Meixia 20 Jan 91 3h2 NG Shenyang 7 Sep 16:05.07 -11
    12 15:53.39 Jin Yuan 11 Feb 88 168/49 1 NGP Jinan 11 May 15:33.41 -09
    13 15:55.44 Yin Anna 23 Mar 92 6h1 NG Shenyang 7 Sep 16:12.79 -11
    14 16:00.69 Sun Weiwei 13 Jan 85 160/45 6h2 NG Shenyang 7 Sep 15:26.21 -05
    15 16:01.26 Hao Xiaofan 9 Dec 89 165/55 9 NC Suzhou 1 Jun 15:28.25 -11


    THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE ATHLETES DO NOT EAT TURTLE SOUP.TRADITIONAL MEDICINE SAYS TURTLE SOUP MAKES RUNNERS FAST AND STRONG. NOW THEY ARE WEAK AND SLOW.
  • RunWild
    6 years ago 02/03/2014 12:20am CST
    re: MA JUREN
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    as for this record, while of course everyone has their doubts at least this one does not scream drugs (especially in relation to the Ma's Army)
  • peacefrog
    6 years ago 02/03/2014 12:28am CST
    re: Dope police
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    Dope police wrote:

    No I don't. The red flag is her coach and that other suspicious athlete he coaches.

    Salazar and Slaney?
  • yo quiero ser Ronaldo....
    6 years ago 02/03/2014 12:31am CST
    re: HardLoper
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    Let me answer your question with a question. Do you think Galen Rupp's American record is clean?

    Her record is just as clean as Galen Rupp's.
  • RuKiddingMe!!
    6 years ago 02/03/2014 12:44am CST
    re: whatthewhatthewhat
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    yes...I think so...but who knows

    read the Book...The Fix is in

    http://www.thefixisin.net/
  • ms
    6 years ago 02/03/2014 2:58am CST
    re: RuKiddingMe!!
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    She didn't even stop to catch her breath after finishing!
    Straight into a fast paced victory lap and then signing autographs ffs!
  • Tadpole
    6 years ago 02/03/2014 4:24am CST
    re: broken arrow
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    broken arrow wrote:

    Also, she did not look at all stressed right after the race in WR time???, her victory laps were very fast as well????

    True enough. Her victory lap was faster than my mile pr pace.
  • Jeff Wigand
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    6 years ago 02/03/2014 5:42am CST
    re: ms
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    ms wrote:

    She didn't even stop to catch her breath after finishing!
    Straight into a fast paced victory lap and then signing autographs ffs!

    Seb Coe did the same thing. That's not a sign of anything.
  • Tubby Tugboat Steamy
    6 years ago 02/03/2014 8:51am CST
    re: xenonscreams
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    xenonscreams wrote:

    breath wrote:

    noce wrote:

    The time itself doesn't seem outrageous. Women run under 4:00 every year, and someone has to be fastest of the fast. But it really is curious when someone runs super fast without appearing exhausted afterwards.


    Most people that I know don't look that tired when they set new PRs. Are you really that exhausted when you finish races?


    How is this even a question? I usually feel like I'm dying after every race, especially the mile which makes me want to puke my guts out.



    With that said, if I'd set a new World Record then I imagine I'd be too happy to care about how terrible I felt. I'd be high as a kite.



    I don't think this is ever happening.
  • fred
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    6 years ago 02/03/2014 10:08am CST
    re: HardLoper
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  • Mr. Obvious
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    6 years ago 02/03/2014 10:54am CST
    re: fred
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    I have no idea.
  • fred
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    6 years ago 02/03/2014 11:57am CST
    re: MA JUREN
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    MA JUREN wrote:

    HardLoper wrote:

    fred wrote:

    Do you think any women's 1500 record has EVER been clean?

    Chinese factories are cranking out the peptides and a
    world class coach is teaching them the latest training
    techniques and periodization.

    What do you think is going to happen at the next Olympics?

    Really fred? Chinese factories cranking out the peptides??

    1500 m
    (limit: 4:30.0h)
    1 4:12.32 Zhao Jing 9 Jul 88 1 NG Shenyang 8 Sep 4:10.67 -11
    2 4:13.67 Liu Fang 25 Feb 90 174/52 7 World Chall Beijing 21 May 4:07.90 -11
    3 4:14.12 Zheng Xiaolin 17 Apr 89 162/40 3 NG Shenyang 8 Sep 4:16.74 -12
    4 4:14.44 Liu Qing 28 Apr 86 168/57 4 NG Shenyang 8 Sep 4:04.00 -05
    5 4:15.10 Xue Fei 8 Aug 89 164/45 5 NG Shenyang 8 Sep 4:08.87 -08
    6 4:15.46 Xu Qiuzi 8 Feb 91 165/55 6 NG Shenyang 8 Sep 4:12.75 -11
    7 4:16.09 Li Yong 18 Jun 88 163/51 7 NG Shenyang 8 Sep 4:12.11 -09
    8 4:17.28 Jin Yuan 11 Feb 88 168/49 8 NG Shenyang 8 Sep 4:11.66 -06
    9 4:18.17 Cong Linlin 13 Nov 91 171/50 3 NC Suzhou 30 May 4:17.83 -12
    10 4:18.70 Wang Mei 22 Dec 93 4 NC Suzhou 30 May 4:22.29 -11
    11 4:21.56 Yao Jienuo 18 Aug 93 9 NG Shenyang 8 Sep 4:25.24 -11
    12 4:22.24 Wang Yanfei 30 Jun 93 5h1 NG Shenyang 7 Sep 4:16.88 -12
    13 4:22.72 Zhang Xiaojun 15 Mar 92 3h1 NC Suzhou 29 May 4:17.12 -12
    14 4:22.96 Zhang Sige 20 Oct 87 168/49 4h1 NC Suzhou 29 May 4:15.86 -12
    15 4:23.14 Li Zhenzhu 13 Dec 85 168/45 5h1 NC Suzhou 29 May 4:14.57 -04


    5000 m
    (limit: 16:30.0h)
    1 15:30.61 Wei Xiaojie 20 Nov 89 1 NC Suzhou 1 Jun 15:52.57 -12
    2 15:42.51 Liu Ruihuan 29 Jun 92 2 NC Suzhou 1 Jun 15:51.04 -12
    3 15:48.03 Ding Changqin 27 Nov 91 3 NC Suzhou 1 Jun 15:42.23 -12
    4 15:48.45 Sun Ran 10 May 91 1h1 NG Shenyang 7 Sep
    5 15:49.14 Jiang Xiaoli 6 Apr 89 164/49 1 NG Shenyang 9 Sep 15:41.94 -12
    6 15:49.22 Cao Mojie 10 Apr 92 2 NG Shenyang 9 Sep 15:39.76 -12
    7 15:49.47 Xue Fei 8 Aug 89 164/45 3 NG Shenyang 9 Sep 15:02.73 -07
    8 15:49.54 Li Zhenzhu 13 Dec 85 168/45 3h1 NG Shenyang 7 Sep 16:13.44 -03
    9 15:49.68 Xiao Huimin 1 Mar 92 4h1 NG Shenyang 7 Sep 15:38.15 -12
    10 15:51.37 Zhang Xinyan 9 Feb 94 1h2 NG Shenyang 7 Sep 16:45.49 -12
    11 15:52.74 Zhang Meixia 20 Jan 91 3h2 NG Shenyang 7 Sep 16:05.07 -11
    12 15:53.39 Jin Yuan 11 Feb 88 168/49 1 NGP Jinan 11 May 15:33.41 -09
    13 15:55.44 Yin Anna 23 Mar 92 6h1 NG Shenyang 7 Sep 16:12.79 -11
    14 16:00.69 Sun Weiwei 13 Jan 85 160/45 6h2 NG Shenyang 7 Sep 15:26.21 -05
    15 16:01.26 Hao Xiaofan 9 Dec 89 165/55 9 NC Suzhou 1 Jun 15:28.25 -11


    THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE ATHLETES DO NOT EAT TURTLE SOUP.TRADITIONAL MEDICINE SAYS TURTLE SOUP MAKES RUNNERS FAST AND STRONG. NOW THEY ARE WEAK AND SLOW.


    Turtle soup.

    http://www.tradeindia.com/fp1276912/GW501516-CAS-317318-70-0.html
  • Flatliner
    6 years ago 02/03/2014 1:04pm CST
    re: whatthewhatthewhat
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    She is African, and faster than any American, which means that everyone on LetsRun will think she is "doped to the gills."

    You should know better than asking such a dumb question on this board.

    If she was white and American there would be claims of her special coach, her upbrining, her years at college, her conquering of anemia, her supportive boyfriend, her church, blah blah blah you get the idea....

    The bottom line is Americans are racist and it's still bugs the sh&t out of them that they cannot defeat the rest of the world no matter how much time and money they spend...

    whatthewhatthewhat wrote:

    I'm a big fan of all the Dibaba sisters. It seems that a lot of people on these boards think she couldn't have dropped so much time (or run a first 800 of 2:09) and been clean.

    Do you guys feel there's a chance she's clean?
  • Master Locker
    6 years ago 02/03/2014 1:14pm CST
    re: Jeff Wigand
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    Jeff Wigand wrote:

    ms wrote:

    She didn't even stop to catch her breath after finishing!
    Straight into a fast paced victory lap and then signing autographs ffs!

    Seb Coe did the same thing. That's not a sign of anything.


    Yes it is.

    It is a sign that Coe was also doped.
  • RRRR
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    6 years ago 02/03/2014 1:31pm CST
    re: Flatliner
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    Flatliner wrote:

    She is African, and faster than any American, which means that everyone on LetsRun will think she is "doped to the gills."

    You should know better than asking such a dumb question on this board.

    If she was white and American there would be claims of her special coach, her upbrining, her years at college, her conquering of anemia, her supportive boyfriend, her church, blah blah blah you get the idea....

    The bottom line is Americans are racist and it's still bugs the sh&t out of them that they cannot defeat the rest of the world no matter how much time and money they spend...

    whatthewhatthewhat wrote:

    I'm a big fan of all the Dibaba sisters. It seems that a lot of people on these boards think she couldn't have dropped so much time (or run a first 800 of 2:09) and been clean.

    Do you guys feel there's a chance she's clean?


    This message board is full of cheating accusations directed towards american athletes. If you think MB posters are questioning this performance out of pure xenophobia, you're an idiot.
  • trackcoach
    6 years ago 02/03/2014 1:44pm CST
    re: Flatliner
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    Flatliner wrote:

    She is African, and faster than any American, which means that everyone on LetsRun will think she is "doped to the gills."

    You should know better than asking such a dumb question on this board.

    If she was white and American there would be claims of her special coach, her upbrining, her years at college, her conquering of anemia, her supportive boyfriend, her church, blah blah blah you get the idea....

    The bottom line is Americans are racist and it's still bugs the sh&t out of them that they cannot defeat the rest of the world no matter how much time and money they spend...

    whatthewhatthewhat wrote:

    I'm a big fan of all the Dibaba sisters. It seems that a lot of people on these boards think she couldn't have dropped so much time (or run a first 800 of 2:09) and been clean.

    Do you guys feel there's a chance she's clean?




    I have counted more post that she is clean than that she is dirty and this board routinely calls out White athletes as dirty. I acknowledge that this board is not always fair when it comes to race, but this is a poor example to make your point.
  • UCI XC
    6 years ago 02/03/2014 1:58pm CST
    re: Master Locker
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    Hasn't everyone here experienced the difference between winning a race in a PR and just finishing an all-out race in, say, fifth place and three seconds off your best? When I got my first track win, in my soph year of HS, it was a close race and I PRed. I didn't feel any of the usual pain right afterward. I floated around on that high for about five minutes, after which I realized that I was absolutely wiped, lay on the ground, and then could hardly get up. I think the euphoria of running a great race can counteract the usual post-finish awfulness for a while. Looking at the photo of Dibaba as she crosses the line, it's pretty clear that this was that kind of race for her. I'm not saying I'm sure she's clean, or dirty, or anything else unprovable--just that this aspect of her race isn't otherworldly at all.
    As for Coe, in Moscow he fell onto his knees and elbows after winning, and in LA he didn't run any fast victory lap--just jogged around and made his angry gesture at the British press. He looked drained by the effort but so intensely emotional that he was suppressing it.
  • glub glub
    6 years ago 02/03/2014 4:22pm CST
    re: Master Locker
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    Master Locker wrote:

    Jeff Wigand wrote:

    ms wrote:

    She didn't even stop to catch her breath after finishing!
    Straight into a fast paced victory lap and then signing autographs ffs!

    Seb Coe did the same thing. That's not a sign of anything.


    Yes it is.

    It is a sign that Coe was also doped.


    To the gills, man. To the gills.
  • Dope police
    6 years ago 02/03/2014 4:40pm CST
    re: Flatliner
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    Riiight, peopke think she doped is because she is African, cuz nobody hear ever thought Paula doped, oh wait....
  • Africa sucks
    6 years ago 02/03/2014 4:44pm CST
    re: Flatliner
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    Flatliner wrote:

    She is African, and faster than any American, which means that everyone on LetsRun will think she is "doped to the gills."

    You should know better than asking such a dumb question on this board.

    If she was white and American there would be claims of her special coach, her upbrining, her years at college, her conquering of anemia, her supportive boyfriend, her church, blah blah blah you get the idea....

    The bottom line is Americans are racist and it's still bugs the sh&t out of them that they cannot defeat the rest of the world no matter how much time and money they spend...

    whatthewhatthewhat wrote:

    I'm a big fan of all the Dibaba sisters. It seems that a lot of people on these boards think she couldn't have dropped so much time (or run a first 800 of 2:09) and been clean.

    Do you guys feel there's a chance she's clean?


    The fact that Africa is collectively the most corrupt sh!thole on the planet would have nothing to do with it, I suppose. Not saying that the Western world isn't full of it too, but Africa and other non-white places have inferior social structures and little semblance of human decency.