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  • LM
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    6 years ago 02/01/2014 9:18pm CST
    re: Mr. Obvious
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    Mr. Obvious wrote:

    LM wrote:
    Their is lots of evidence that his calculator is pretty damn good


    Don't forget it works for swimmers and horsies, too.

    Once again another thread derailed by ventolin and his bloviating ego.


    Can't believe you missed the opportunity to call out that atrocious grammar mistake I made.

    On a more serious note, do you really ever find yourself at strong disagreement with the actual lines the calculator gives? Or is it the assumptions V3 makes in generating his lines that give you pause?
  • ventolin^3
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    6 years ago 02/01/2014 9:27pm CST
    re: Peer Mediator
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    Peer Mediator wrote:Wow! Your arrogance knows no bounds does it?

    no

    it looks for truth

    You keep harping on about predicting Farah's 3:28 don't you

    predictor

    called it

    I mean, even a broke clock tells the right time twice a day! 1 out of a hundred is a p*ss poor strike rate

    i have no idea what this drivel is supposed to mean

    all i know is predictor called 3'28 off mo's 50.9 finish coupla months earlier

    Don't get too drunk will you. And be careful not to take your meds at the same time. LOL.

    have fun

    if you know any previous subscribers to

    http://www.jundo.co.uk/

    there is an offer to re-subscribe with a different

    e-mail

    for

    999 days

    ( it called mo 3'28

    & who knows how fast cram was in '85 having run

    ~ 6m extra

    in his tactical 1'42.8 ???

    try :

    1'42-flat / 3'44-high

    as start for 400 speed in '85... )
  • markschultz25
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    6 years ago 02/01/2014 9:34pm CST
    re: ukathleticscoach
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    Ethiopian legs > Kenyan legs on women, by a lot. Her legs look pretty strong and sexy.

    ukathleticscoach wrote:

    'the key to her improvement is that she has joined a camp which, unlike the kenyans, seems to have a well-used weight's room

    i have no idea how tall she is, but her thighs now look power-packed, meaning she is squatting/leg-pressing some serious loads & often

    this has always been the key to 800/1500 running - lotta weights, especially squats/presses/curls/raises/etc

    --------------------

    Either that or she has been on steroids like the Chinese

    Or look at what the Ruskia's did on roids
  • I Sympathize
    6 years ago 02/01/2014 9:52pm CST
    re: LM
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    For what it's worth, I think his calculator gives some pretty damn good values. He called Mo's 3:28, has said before women's 1500 was due for some faster times, was correct that most good guys running 5000 now can still run 12:4x with a good fast race, the list goes on. Their is lots of evidence that his calculator is pretty damn good

    I think issues arise with the conversions and adjustments V3 makes to the race in an effort to think about the optimum result.

    People also don't take into account that predictions are generally for a perfect race as well and that happens very, very rarely. So, people here something like Rupp running 12:40 and immediately think no way...but the odds of a perfect race are really low. A more realistic result to expect from Rupp is something like 12:4x mid or high, and I have little reason to doubt Rupp is capable of running such a time.[/quote]

    His "calculator" is good? Gimme a break. All you have to do to make the same predictions is basically, any race where somebody runs x time, if it wasn't perfectly paced, you say they could have run a little bit faster. And you also give them credit for being able to carry that performance over to its equivalent for a shorter or longer distance, based on whether or not the runner is a speed runner or a strength runner. It's not like something mystical going on. If the weather wasn't perfect, or if the track was sub-standard, or whatever, you make slight adjustments. It's not really that interesting. If somebody runs 60-60-60-59 for a 3:59 mile, then that's that. If they run 63-63-63-50 for a 3:59, then they could probably have run faster in some other situation. No sh*t! Who cares?

    Why the guy has to be such an a-hole is anybody's guess.
  • LM
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    6 years ago 02/01/2014 10:12pm CST
    re: I Sympathize
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    I Sympathize wrote:
    And you also give them credit for being able to carry that performance over to its equivalent for a shorter or longer distance, based on whether or not the runner is a speed runner or a strength runner.

    This is preciesly what the jundo calculator does, and where I think it is pretty accurate. It can also do stuff people don't normally do. Obviously if Galen runs 12:55 5k, most people can make a pretty good guess that he is likely to be in 26:50 or better shape.

    What most people can't do is go way outside of that common zone very well. No one was expecting 3'28" from Mo off his 5k ability even with his consistent 53" last laps. Using that 50 that Mo popped V3 was able to take the 400 and rough idea of Mo's 5k fitness to get an accurate 1500 ability.

    You say that anyone can do this...and yet no one else really makes accurate, supported guesses about a runners fitness. And I certainly don't see people making accurate predictions about a runners 10k fitness given his 800 and 1500 fitness.

    I Sympathize wrote:
    If somebody runs 60-60-60-59 for a 3:59 mile, then that's that. If they run 63-63-63-50 for a 3:59, then they could probably have run faster in some other situation. No sh*t! Who cares?

    ?

    Are you a fan of running?

    You don't find it at all interesting to speculate about whether Galen could target for say the 5000i record?

    Or whether Dibaba might actually have the fitness to threaten records set by Ma's army and believed to be complete nonsense by most?

    Usually thinking about these sorts of things are pretty fun for most runners, especially when we get into considering the chances athletes have of gunning for national, but especially world records.

    I do agree on the [email protected]@hole part though, no idea why he posts so aggressively...but then again so does 2/3's or LRC so even that is nothing new.
  • ventolin^3
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    6 years ago 02/01/2014 10:13pm CST
    re: markschultz25
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    'the key to her improvement is that she has joined a camp which, unlike the kenyans, seems to have a well-used weight's room

    i have no idea how tall she is, but her thighs now look power-packed, meaning she is squatting/leg-pressing some serious loads & often

    this has always been the key to 800/1500 running - lotta weights, especially squats/presses/curls/raises/etc'

    no

    that was my post

    & i stand by it

    if you want to excel

    800 - M

    you have to work like prepared to wrestle cerberus into submission

    meaning you better have

    huge ( weight-training )

    power in your legs

    800 - 10k is dependent on :

    how much upper body +

    repeat leg-press + hamstring curls + toe raises + toe curls

    + again upper body - benches/presses

    her thighs gotta her to

    3'55iwr
  • dbender
    6 years ago 02/01/2014 10:21pm CST
    re: markschultz25
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    why do I think all these lecherous lurker posts are by Douglas Burke posting under different names?

    Answer: because he has history of posting creepy post w/ an Ethio-centric focus. that's why.

    You have a problem with that?

    Not really. Seems accurate?

    Think he acts out?

    Probably?
  • aduck2022
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    6 years ago 02/01/2014 11:15pm CST
    re: dbender
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    wake up people !!!!!!!!

    mentioned THE LIGHTNESS IGF1-LR3 MANY TIMES !!!!

    BEEN IN THE SPRINTS FOR YEARS now.
    first xiang then powell then gay and bolt and then many
    many others
    finally reaching most events which realise has benefits in
    all events . of enhanced nervous system amonsgt other things
    HAVE YOU NOT NOTICED THE POLE VAULT OR HIGH JUMP LATELY
    FINALLY PROGRESSIVE AGAIN SINCE DAYS OF SERIOUS ROID USE .





    forget GW50 ,test it and stays in system for months
    and need to be taking near race
    for record ,rupp and farahs 10k pb due to it .

    forget Reservatoral just an antioxidant go drink some wine
    forget Hematide or any other epo-mimic ,as cant get
    unrestricted use with high HCT due to biological passport


    if new endurance drug needs to be similar to gw50 and other
    pathways than high hct
    will find out in summer

    as for dibaba this could be just THE LIGHTNESS seeing in action all about speed .her endurance might be already
    good enough like her sister ,so might be no new endurance drug involved besides whatever t3 or epo can get away with
    like farahs 1500 pb and rupp both ON THE LIGHTNESS..
  • aduck2022
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    6 years ago 02/01/2014 11:26pm CST
    re: aduck2022
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    FOR RECORD ,
    gw50 what rudisha was on ,

    wait 6-8 weeks for the lightness to peak ,
    then watch out .... ,cant keep peak going for too long
    will notice in performances . can do a more continuous
    smaller peak though as alternative what suits.

    Question is why arent they testing for this stuff !
    they know ,just want the events too be progression
    as long as can .
  • stop hoarding it
    6 years ago 02/02/2014 1:48am CST
    re: said88
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    said88 wrote:

    Interesting that - according to the (old man)^3 - geb has chesed himself. There also seems to be a problem with the negations in his statement. Geb probably was capable, I think he want's to say.
    In any way: good luck to all the people who still hope they will get an apology or something like that from him when he is - as so often - wrong on something.

    post the ryun dusseldorf video you greedy fvck
  • race pace guru
    6 years ago 02/02/2014 1:57am CST
    re: said88
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    said88 wrote:


    I think 600m was more like 1:35,1 and 1000m 2:40,0 - but that's not so important. If 800m was - say 2:09,2 (PM was 2:08,97 or something like that) - than her 200m before was around 34,1 and her 200m after around 30,8. That's a very big difference to me. In the middle if the race. Maybe the PM dropped out and she drastically accelerated? Still little bit strange to me, but probably correct.

    I took the splits a little differently.

    The first 100 was covered in about 15 seconds. The next 200 was about 30 followed by a 33. After that I had 66.5 for the next 400 for a 2:24.5. If you take away the reported 2:09 half, she ran 15.5 seconds from 800-900. She followed that with a 30.5 to get to 2:55. A 30 lap got her to 3:25 and she closed with a final lap of 30.

    I believe the lag in pace to 800 was caused by staying behind the pacer. At the 800, she accelerated from 33/lap pace to 31 and then faster to the finish.

    Because of the sudden acceleration and how strong she looked finishing, I believe she could have went through in 2:07 and still finished strong to run 3:53. I believe 400-800 was a couple seconds too slow. I don't believe she could have run faster than 3:53 though even if she went through in 2:05 or 2:06.
  • Bikila Abebe
    6 years ago 02/02/2014 3:15am CST
    re: Once an Expert
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    Quit crying.Next time organize a meet without Ethiopians,Kenyans and Jamicans. You will feel better. Watch Tokyos olympic finish line and feel better. The man seems ready to run another 42K. lol
  • ukathleticscoach
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    6 years ago 02/02/2014 3:17am CST
    re: ventolin^3
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    Ventolin what other times did you predict for Mo Farah over 1500m?

    You always give 3 lines of fit so the other 2 were wrong. Factor in that for every Mo Farah who hits one of your lines of fit there are 20 that don't

    As for weight training there was not much evidence of his leg strength in that 12.99 100m or on the bike race where he pedalled like a girl up that hill

    How did Al Sal's stength training programme work with Webb?

    3:28 off 49xx 400m speed = PED. At the point he ran that time for 1500m we did not realise that you were right on one of your lines of fit. We realised he was juicing. Ask Rojo what he thinks
  • said88
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    6 years ago 02/02/2014 3:41am CST
    re: stop hoarding it
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    stop hoarding it wrote:

    said88 wrote:

    Interesting that - according to the (old man)^3 - geb has chesed himself. There also seems to be a problem with the negations in his statement. Geb probably was capable, I think he want's to say.
    In any way: good luck to all the people who still hope they will get an apology or something like that from him when he is - as so often - wrong on something.

    post the ryun dusseldorf video you greedy fvck


    What's wrong with you writing something like that? It sounds like an instruction - you think you can do that? And with these nice words at the end? How old are you?
  • wtfunny
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    6 years ago 02/02/2014 3:44am CST
    re: ventolin^3
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    ventolin^3 wrote:

    http://www.jundo.co.uk

    "The message board forum(s) are not designed to serve as a place where one makes posts that are nothing more than glorified advertisements (i.e. anything promoting another website, product, etc.). Posts that serve as advertisements are likely to be deleted. If you would like to reach the targeted audience of dedicated running aficionados that come to LetsRun.com, we suggest you consider advertising with the web-site or at the very least contacting LetsRun.com before making posts that are advertisements. "

    http://www.letsrun.com/forum/TOS.php

    You've advertised your calculator 4 times in this thread so far. You should be banned.
  • said88
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    6 years ago 02/02/2014 3:48am CST
    re: race pace guru
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    race pace guru wrote:


    I took the splits a little differently.

    The first 100 was covered in about 15 seconds. The next 200 was about 30 followed by a 33. After that I had 66.5 for the next 400 for a 2:24.5. If you take away the reported 2:09 half, she ran 15.5 seconds from 800-900. She followed that with a 30.5 to get to 2:55. A 30 lap got her to 3:25 and she closed with a final lap of 30.


    I took the times by examination of the race video (same as is to see on YouTube); I'm sure the times are correct. A change of pace from 34,1 to 30,8 still seems to be litle strange, but probably correct.
  • helmat1
    6 years ago 02/02/2014 3:53am CST
    re: cainess
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    She was at about 2.39 with 500 m to go
  • just sayin
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    6 years ago 02/02/2014 4:08am CST
    re: ukathleticscoach
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    ukathleticscoach wrote:


    3:28 off 49xx 400m speed = PED. At the point he ran that time for 1500m we did not realise that you were right on one of your lines of fit. We realised he was juicing. Ask Rojo what he thinks

    I think steve cram realised it too..

    big chance of another wr for dibaba over 3000m later in the week.

    what do ya think ventolin?

    8-23?
  • said88
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    6 years ago 02/02/2014 4:10am CST
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    helmat1 wrote:

    She was at about 2.39 with 500 m to go

    2:40,0
  • just sayin
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    6 years ago 02/02/2014 4:19am CST
    re: said88
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    Ok..

    XL galan 3000m later this week

    she ran 8-26 last year

    I say she takes it down this year!

    Ventolin??