I agree with Costly.
God bless them for trying, but just because Alberto does it doesn't make it right. He may have run even faster and got that world record. Yes, I can't prove that but others can't discount it.
My point: How much fitness did he gain from the post 5000 workout that would have helped him in the 2 mile effort just days later? The answer none. So if you're going for the 2 mile record, why not be rested after such a tough race? Going for some psychological advantage is plain silly.
I can't wait for the "pros" to rip this apart. Me, I'm just a 2:31 marathoner (Boston), so I must know nothing, right?
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Yeah he shouldn't have done a workout after 5K and also tapered for his 2 mile so he could get one of the softest world records in an event that is rarely contested. I think they know what they are doing...
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First time I recall a post race track workout was when I ran at Arakansas in 1989. It was not Arkansas doing the extra training, it was Georgtown men after the 4x1500m at texas relays......We were in awe!
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I think the record attempts are a goal but he mainly wants to be ready for worlds. So, my guess is that these three sessions are all intended to be hard workout days.
I am not an expert at all. This is just a guess.
Clue anyone?????? wrote:
I agree with Costly.
God bless them for trying, but just because Alberto does it doesn't make it right. He may have run even faster and got that world record. Yes, I can't prove that but others can't discount it.
My point: How much fitness did he gain from the post 5000 workout that would have helped him in the 2 mile effort just days later? The answer none. So if you're going for the 2 mile record, why not be rested after such a tough race? Going for some psychological advantage is plain silly.
I can't wait for the "pros" to rip this apart. Me, I'm just a 2:31 marathoner (Boston), so I must know nothing, right? -
Clue anyone?????? wrote:
Me, I'm just a 2:31 marathoner (Boston), so I must know nothing, right?
Correct. -
Clue anyone?????? wrote:
I agree with Costly.
God bless them for trying, but just because Alberto does it doesn't make it right. He may have run even faster and got that world record. Yes, I can't prove that but others can't discount it.
My point: How much fitness did he gain from the post 5000 workout that would have helped him in the 2 mile effort just days later? The answer none. So if you're going for the 2 mile record, why not be rested after such a tough race? Going for some psychological advantage is plain silly.
I can't wait for the "pros" to rip this apart. Me, I'm just a 2:31 marathoner
As I see it, it's as simple as, "the plan calls for this volume of quality for the day/week" and so there was a workout following the race. -
I watched the post workout live feed too. However, my live feed ended before he did his 5th repeat. It didn't end due to connection problems, it just ended with a notification that the BU Invitational had concluded. I saw the first four, which were right at 4:20, but unless the people on here claiming they saw him run 4:01 on the fifth repeat had a different live feed than me, what they're saying is made up. The flotrack feed didn't show him run 4:01 from where I was sitting.
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I stand corrected. Flotrack has it posted on their site now. Definitely ran 4:01 on the fifth repeat.
Just to correct a few people on here who said he didn't even look phased and was joking around immediately after finishing the 4:01.... Not true. He finishes, immediately sits down on the track, he looks to be in obvious pain, someone cracks a joke and he gives a half smile. A little different than un-phased and bouncing around and giggling. It was obvious he was miserable. -
Brainwashed Americans are quick to think that drugs are the answer to everything.
The great majority of people I've talked with, runners or not, think they have to go to a doctor for everything, and that they can't survive in this world without medications.
A woman told me yesterday she had a pain in her leg 30 years ago, went to a doctor, who said she had arthritis and told her to take advil. The woman told the advil for 3 days, and said her arthritis was cured. :)
Anyone accusing others of being on drugs, is simply outing themselves as being drug believers; they are talking about their own attitudes and beliefs much more than anyone else. -
Costly? wrote:
On the same track approx. 1 year ago he ran 7:30.7 for 3000.
You're off by about four weeks and over 3000 miles. -
Clue anyone?????? wrote:
I agree with Costly.
God bless them for trying, but just because Alberto does it doesn't make it right. He may have run even faster and got that world record. Yes, I can't prove that but others can't discount it.
My point: How much fitness did he gain from the post 5000 workout that would have helped him in the 2 mile effort just days later? The answer none. So if you're going for the 2 mile record, why not be rested after such a tough race? Going for some psychological advantage is plain silly.
I can't wait for the "pros" to rip this apart. Me, I'm just a 2:31 marathoner (Boston), so I must know nothing, right?
The reason for doing the workout post race (5k) is to get the workout in that day while his adrenaline is up and his body is primed to work hard. now this gives galan an extra day to recover from that day, leading up to the next race. Instead of having to do that workout the monday or tuesday of the following week he'll already have it under his belt and will have that day to rest. i'll assume they front load the week and let him take the two days before the next race (2 mile) easy like run and strides or something. Without doing the workout post race he would prolly have to schedule his work week with only one rest day between his last workout and race day. its smart u get the most out of your weeks and can still get a small taper if u need or can get more workouts in which could lead to overtraining even for a stud like rupp. That mile repeat workout after the impressive race tells me he def gets some easy taper days leading up to that race day. -
heres the clue wrote:
The reason for doing the workout post race (5k) is to get the workout in that day while his adrenaline is up and his body is primed to work hard. now this gives galan an extra day to recover from that day, leading up to the next race. Instead of having to do that workout the monday or tuesday of the following week he'll already have it under his belt and will have that day to rest. i'll assume they front load the week and let him take the two days before the next race (2 mile) easy like run and strides or something. Without doing the workout post race he would prolly have to schedule his work week with only one rest day between his last workout and race day. its smart u get the most out of your weeks and can still get a small taper if u need or can get more workouts in which could lead to overtraining even for a stud like rupp. That mile repeat workout after the impressive race tells me he def gets some easy taper days leading up to that race day.
Or maybe, and this is just a wild idea, he could schedule races so that he doesn't have to compress all of his training and racing in such an illogical way.
The idea that he can only run fast at the BU track is ridiculous to begin with, but now he's combining workouts and races just to be able to race on BU's schedule, not his own. -
SMJO wrote:
Clue anyone?????? wrote:
Me, I'm just a 2:31 marathoner (Boston), so I must know nothing, right?
Correct.
Yeah, and you'd be the one to know SMJO!!! You're the most clueless poster on this board and pretend to know everything. Poor Bill Rodgers should have known after his pr's at all distances to go out and run even harder. He should have conferred with you, right? And Herb Lindsay, after his 5000 pr, he should not have down a cool down but should have been doing mile repeats. You better let him know SMJO (J**k Of*) since he appears to have been clueless. -
Costly? wrote:
The goal was not just the AR, this was an attempt at the world record. On the same track approx. 1 year ago he ran 7:30.7 for 3000. The world indoor mark is 8:04.3. 7:30.7 for 3000 equates to 8:04 for 2 mi. And Galen is supposed to be in better shape this year. That is why they hit 1600 in 3:59.6, and 1 mile in 4:01.0, that was the goal, 8:02.xx
So what you are saying is: he ran worse than last year (3k equivalent) and worse than hoped for for this race.
Yes, maybe the post race workout after the 13:01 was too hard? And maybe he will not equal his 3:50 mile from last year in his attempt coming up because he pushed too hard after this race?
We'll see.
And to all those saying: this makes perfect sense, everyone else is doing, etc.
C'mon. Many other athletes have had results similar to Rupp, or better, without doing these very hard post race workouts. So just because Rupp is great and Rupp does them doesn't mean they are the reason he is great. It may give him some added "supercompensation", and/or it may give him some added "superstress" that he has trouble bouncing back from. It could be both. It could be a wash. We will see which way it pulls him, down or up coming up in the mile and worlds. -
crazy train wrote:
Or maybe, and this is just a wild idea, he could schedule races so that he doesn't have to compress all of his training and racing in such an illogical way.
The idea that he can only run fast at the BU track is ridiculous to begin with, but now he's combining workouts and races just to be able to race on BU's schedule, not his own.
Bingo. I am not 100% not buying the idea that it is more advantageous to run a very challenging workout after an all out race then to do it 2 days later when fresher (and to do a better workout because of that). There may be advantages/disadvantages to both approaches, but I ain't buying that the former is far superior to the latter. -
rupp-certified saladbar wrote:
And yet everyone acts like it's something remarkable.
EVERY. TIME.
...the irony is killing me. Every time Galen Rupp does something unprecedented (you do realize that records are, by definition, unprecedented?), you get on here to tell everyone to move along. Nothing to see here folks.
EVERY. TIME, RCS. EVERY TIME. You need to take down your Galen Rupp dartboard. -
cbenson4 wrote:
I saw the live feed of the workout. After the 4:01 he sat down and started taking his spikes off and was laughing about something. So, 8:07 2 mile. 20 minutes later, 4x1 mile at 4:19 average with about 3 mins rest in between. Then 1 mile at 4:01.6 and joyous laughter about 1 minute later.
Drugs.
You have to remember that (a) Rupp is both an aerobic and anaerobic-theshold monster, and (b) his mile PR is 3:50.
His freaking 10k PR averages 4:17's per 1600. Starting with a 4:19 for him and working down is totally reasonable.
4:01 is damn fast, but if I were to do that workout when I had my best range, I would start at something like a 5:05 (around 10k pace) and work down to 4:26 (11s over mile PR at the time). Extremely difficult, but not inconceivable to do on a good day.
Rupp, on a bad day, is still the best distance runner in the US by miles. The fact that I can even fathom a similar-type workout as being possible means that he should be able to do it routinely, which he does. Hence the laughter.
Dude just set 2 ARs in what, a handful of days? He's firing on all cylinders, I would be smiling too. -
Can you fathom doing that workout a few minutes after setting an American record?
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Tyrannnosaurus Rexing wrote:
And to all those saying: this makes perfect sense, everyone else is doing, etc.
C'mon. Many other athletes have had results similar to Rupp, or better, without doing these very hard post race workouts. So just because Rupp is great and Rupp does them doesn't mean they are the reason he is great. It may give him some added "supercompensation", and/or it may give him some added "superstress" that he has trouble bouncing back from. It could be both. It could be a wash. We will see which way it pulls him, down or up coming up in the mile and worlds.
Every athlete and coach is different. With running there is no 'golden one size fits all' formula. This works for Rupp, obviously, as he's the best we've ever seen in US history.
I think we already HAVE seen that it works....what more proof do you need???
