World-class coach thinks she needs to change her form. Random trolls on the Internet thinks she shouldn't.
I WONDER WHO'S RIGHT?!?!?!!??!?!
World-class coach thinks she needs to change her form. Random trolls on the Internet thinks she shouldn't.
I WONDER WHO'S RIGHT?!?!?!!??!?!
Coach with runners who were born to be World Class.....
Salazar is just trying to make up for his own deficiencies as a runner by obsessing over details like Cain's form.
SMJO wrote:
Coach with runners who were born to be World Class.....
Salazar is just trying to make up for his own deficiencies as a runner by obsessing over details like Cain's form.
That's why athletes do as well or better after they leave Salazar, right?
Oh it's the drugs! Of course...
Can't beat the trolls!
So if Salazar didn't try to make her more efficient, didn't try to think of everything possible to make her better, would you think he's doing the best job he can as a coach? He's trying to "leave no stone un-turned". It's a simple concept really: she's a professional, he's giving her feedback to make her better, he motivates and directs in his own way. Just a shot in the dark here; but considering his success as a coach, Cain probably trusts Salazar and appreciates the constant feedback and drive for improvement. If she gets rattled by this or thinks he's a "prick" like you do, she probably wouldn't be as successful as she is. You don't simply need talent to be a world class athlete, you need dozens of other qualities to include internal motivation and thick skin. Although, those talents are never fully developed. There's always something to work on, something to improve. Form can improve, strength can improve, power can improve, aerobic capacity can improve, racing tactics can improve, and the list goes on. You're ridiculous for thinking that those two should accept what Cain's physical profile is and the deficiencies associated with it. They're pushing to be the best in the world, they don't think in terms of limits or no-can-do's.
I say all that to say this; there's nothing to see here, Salazar is simply coaching.
No, it's because they are "done". One day Rupp and Mo will be done too.
SMJO wrote:
No, it's because they are "done". One day Rupp and Mo will be done too.
CAN'T. BEAT. THE. TROLLS.
making her ultra-sensitive about her arm carriage is just making her run awkwardly right now. Maybe in the future this will work out, but yelling at her and getting frustrated about her not changing her form will make this into a brief coaching relationship.
jjjjjjjj wrote:
making her ultra-sensitive about her arm carriage is just making her run awkwardly right now. Maybe in the future this will work out, but yelling at her and getting frustrated about her not changing her form will make this into a brief coaching relationship.
He is yelling because she is running fast, they are at an indoor track and he wants to make sure she hears it. "Ultra-sensitive?" seriously? When was she frustrated in the least bit? Her form has gotten better since last year at usa indoors for sure. Her elbows were way out and side to side. She still has some things to improve upon, but that will take time. I think she is mature enough to take advice from a world class coach without getting frustrated. She'll probably be with Salazar until she retires like Rupp.
Positive reinforcement.
Yay! You're looking good! Don't stop now! Woo-hoo! Keep going! You're almost there!
lol seriously? wrote:
Jesus Christ. Fail the fifth grade? It's implied. Curvier body shape/wider hips=need for more upper body stability=carrying arms a bit wider. I'm not saying I agree with it, but you asked why, and he said why, and yet you seem to not be able to connect the simple dots.
Are there such things as complex dots?
jjjjjjjj wrote:
making her ultra-sensitive about her arm carriage is just making her run awkwardly right now. Maybe in the future this will work out, but yelling at her and getting frustrated about her not changing her form
Is not helpful.
I agree.
In particular he grabbed her arm and tried to push it where he wanted, which is borderline abusive. He needs to leave her alone and focus on her training.
Hats to be axed wrote:
lol seriously? wrote:Jesus Christ. Fail the fifth grade? It's implied. Curvier body shape/wider hips=need for more upper body stability=carrying arms a bit wider. I'm not saying I agree with it, but you asked why, and he said why, and yet you seem to not be able to connect the simple dots.
Are there such things as complex dots?
That's not even the part we should be questioning.
"Curvier body shape/wider hips=need for more upper body stability=carrying arms a bit wider."
Really? Why would wider hips equal less upper body stability? I don't see the connection.
And what does it even mean to have less upper body stability? Every healthy human being I see standing upright appears to have a stable upper body.
it never gets old wrote:
"Curvier body shape/wider hips=need for more upper body stability=carrying arms a bit wider."
Really? Why would wider hips equal less upper body stability? I don't see the connection.
And what does it even mean to have less upper body stability? Every healthy human being I see standing upright appears to have a stable upper body.
"Appears"
"get your hands lower" doesn't really explain anything to the athlete. As coach d says, keeping hands low on the downstroke helps generate a little forward momentum for the body esp. during a kick. But on the forward swing, low hands are not particularly helpful and it requires more energy expenditure (in this regard, sprinters are better equipped to muscle their arms forward). Still, you see some distance athletes keep their hands low all the time. Jordan Hasay and Evan Jager come to mind. To me, Cain's arm carriage looks borderline too low (and uncomfortable for her). I think she would benefit more from an upright posture and keeping the elbows in (which leads to body twist).
Nah, forget that. She should keep her thumbs pointed up.
Maybe it is a good thing to have less muscle in the upper body. Here's one guy who was all legs
Oh my god, what a bunch of BS. Of course he's yelling at her - she's not doing it right (yet). That's how coaches communicate when their athlete is in the middle of an interval or race. You want to catch the problem when it's occurring, not afterward.
As for those who say her bad form is due to her skeletal structure, and therefore not correctable, please shut up. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Mary Cain is a fantastically talented athlete with some inefficiencies in her form; when she corrects those she will run faster. It's not going to revolutionize things for her, but will provide incremental improvement.
Salazar may have many faults, but emphasizing and actively working on improving form isn't one of them. There's no issue and no debate on this matter.
Are we not debating right now or are you as ignorant as to the meaning of that word as you are to biomechanics?
Cain will improve as she gets older and when she reaches her peak, she'll be running virtually the same way she does now.
he's frustrated; she isn't.
if your question is if a coach can pat a female athlete on the back after a she set a world record, with hundreds of people around, and with cameras on him...the answer is yes, he can do that.
Les wrote:
Cain has the lower body of a mature woman but the upper body of a teenager. In other words she's weak on top. She compensates for that weakness by excessive arm movement. When she's out of high school and in a professional training environment they can work on building up her upper body. As she gets stronger she won't have to swing so much.
She is built like a runner , my god , 99% of distance athletes fill your described profile.