Stories like this will be more common in the future as "testosterone supplementation" is prescribed more frequently to those over 40. A local pharmacy even had an add advising us old farts to ask our doctor about it.
It's more popular for trigeeks right now but it's use in the running world is growing.
AnotherWhinyBBQLovinIdiot wrote:
Stories like this will be more common in the future as "testosterone supplementation" is prescribed more frequently to those over 40. A local pharmacy even had an add advising us old farts to ask our doctor about it.
You obviously have no idea about how the health service works in the UK.
Impressed wrote:
You obviously have no idea about how the health service works in the UK.
So tell us.
Can the old farts pay for it if they choose to because they can't get it free through the health service?
Believe me, Andy is no doper,he trains hard, has done all his life, clean living guy with loads of natural talent. Do some research on him before making those statements.
CRRC wrote:
Believe me, Andy is no doper,he trains hard, has done all his life, clean living guy with loads of natural talent. Do some research on him before making those statements.
Thank you. It's a shame that instead of being a thread about the training of a remarkable runner a few idiots brought ti down to the typical doper allegations.
Let's get back to his training- compare to Norm Green's, which I already posted I remember as being at a fast pace and low mileage.
if a young world class elite creams off all the big prize moneys, running incredible fast and incredible often, i can highly understand when the alarm bells ring. but this is just a tough masters runner with tons of talent and discipline.
a few fast old guys in my club used to train like andy ward (due to job and family), but most of them did high mileage and alternated quite easy days and fast days, keeping up the quality pretty high.
mo'pak wrote:
As a young bloke he was racing mostly on the fells. This sort of work is great for your fitness but doesn't develop your flat speed.
Had he spent those younger years focused on track and road he probably would have been at least a minute quicker back then. Also if most of his early racing was on roads around Derbyshire then he probably didn't run many fast courses.
A good example of this is fell legend Ian Holmes. Ian has never broken 30 for 10k or 50 for 10 miles. On the fells even now in his 40s he can thrash 29m guys. I'm sure Holmes has the motor to run low 29s even now. But he would need a couple of years to develop the skill set for the flat running.
Steve Moneghetti was running about as fast at 40 as he was at 22, he had some faster years from mid 20s to mid 30s though.
Jack Foster ran 2.11 in his 40s he was only running 2.12/13 in his 30s.
He came back from an injury break at 50 and off a couple of months of 40 to 50 mpw ran 51.40 for a hilly 10 miler. He then cranked it up to 70 to 80 mpw for 2 months and ran 2.20 for the marathon.
hills,hills,hills. Gives credence to Malmo's anecdote re Rono's secret to success.
A guy called Ian Hudspith who is 43 and lives in the UK is more impressive, has been running very well since age 11 and ran a 65.23 half this year and a 64.14 last year. He's run 65 or under pretty much every year since '95.
Read a few of the posting about Andy and the guy is a very focused determine individual who is very transparent in the way he trains and races.The interview he gave I can fully support knowing him for many years as a true account of him.
Those who suggest he does anything other than train hard and within his correct heart rate zone simply don't know him and would be better trying to find some inspiration from the article rather than taking a dig at him.
As for him wasting his talent for not running for a few years I think that those close to Andy will see his family unit and the support he gives them and gets in return as time well spent in their early years which is probably the best investment anyone can make.
Give the guy a break and a pat on the back!
Great to see Andy running well. Certainly helps us older guys remain motivated by the success of our peers. Appreciate any more insight into his HRM training which is producing optimal racing results.
age grade that and you quickly become very suspicious!!!
age grade that and you quickly become very suspicious!!!
Martin Rees was / is running spectacular times as a 60 y/o.
He also was running 30 min low @ age 50. Lifetime of work in a steel mill.
As for age grade suspicion, no way Rees or Ward are doing anything illegal. What do they have to gain? Nothing. They love to run, train and race. Nothing more.
mo'pak wrote:
As a young bloke he was racing mostly on the fells. This sort of work is great for your fitness but doesn't develop your flat speed.
I read the eightlane article on Any Ward but it seems that he is doing very little "specific" paced work, only once every 2 weeks at the most. Other than that, he is saying that he is running most of his training days at a faster steady running pace where he is hitting his threshold. He is attributing this change in focus to threshold/steady running rather than specific workouts as being the reason why he is running faster than ever and why he is running faster than when he was younger.
Here are the quotes from the article:
"Working alongside Tune, however, and Andy notes that, whilst the volume has remained the same, the majority of his training is now done at a quicker pace and specific speed sessions are a less frequent part of the programme.
“The majority of my training is done at my lactate threshold; my training was generally too slow and very inconsistent before. We don’t tend to do much speed work – speed sessions and tempo runs are done about once a fortnight – and in terms of volume it has stayed very similar. But the speed at which I do each run at night is now very different.”"
TKO wrote:
age grade that and you quickly become very suspicious!!!
If you are the paranoid type. The type most likely to take drugs like you.
runnerboy1 wrote:
Great to see Andy running well. Certainly helps us older guys remain motivated by the success of our peers. Appreciate any more insight into his HRM training which is producing optimal racing results.
I presume the reference to 'lactate threshold training' means around about marathon pace rather than half marathon pace? This is where you get most bang for your buck for developing speed endurance for distance races.
Awesome website:
http://www.runbritainrankings.com/rankings/ladderlist.aspx?agegroup=V40&sex=M
Andy Ward is ranked 3rd for V40's in the UK. Not just Hudspith above him.
Whatever happens to this chap no results for over 2 years? Presume he got injured?
Yes looks like it ... http://www.worksopguardian.co.uk/sport/local-sport/from-the-road-to-the-lake-record-seeking-runner-ward-drowns-injury-woes-in-open-water-swimming-1-7271877
Gary B wrote:
Whatever happens to this chap no results for over 2 years? Presume he got injured?
DPL wrote:
Just took him awhile to figure out which magic potion to use.
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