Twitter rumour about Marathon EPO positive

kisorio 3rd alltime for the half marathon admitted to blood doping

justsoyaknow wrote:

you mean hermens 2 super talents...

Hermens had way more than 2 runners...

justsoyaknow wrote:

i often wonder about that considering most of the goats of cycling and athletics have been dopers throughout the years

You have zero evidence that most of the GOATs of distance runners were dopers...

justsoyaknow wrote:

and their arrival coincided with the emergence of a new undetectable wonder drug on the distance scene

New drugs are ALWAYS coming onto the scene. If the emergence of East African training camps came in the 70's you would say it "coincided" with the new blood doping. If it came in the 2000's you would say it "coincided" with gw501516. What are the chances!

justsoyaknow wrote:

yet 2 'clean' guys were able to beat all comers throughout that time right from 1993 through 2009 when the blood passport came in

Yeah, where have all the East Africans gone since 2009? Depth in 5k times hasn't changed?

I suppose you're in the "EPO doesn't work for the marathon" camp?

hardloper what do you mean zero evidence?

heard of fuentes?

i suggest you go back and take a look at spanish domination of world championships marathons in the 90s

gold 1995

gold 1997

gold 1999

european championships 1994

1500 5000 10000 marathon golds! go check

it's well known epo blood doping was involved

back to the 80s you have all the italian blood dopers cleaning up at 5000,10000

back to the 70s you have the finnish state sponsored blood doping..again 5000 and 10000 domination

the portuguese blood dopers?

there's plenty of evidence although some is strongly circumstancial only

get a clue!

"justsoyaknow" just so ya know, none of those guys are GOATs. Gebrselassie, Bekele, El Guerrouj... not even circumstantial evidence that they were on EPO.

Hardloper wrote:

"justsoyaknow" just so ya know, none of those guys are GOATs. Gebrselassie, Bekele, El Guerrouj... not even circumstantial evidence that they were on EPO.

I can just imagine you giving it all this nonsense talking about Lance before the big admission.

It's all the same.

Clean Moroccan distance runner. That's an oxymoron.

trollism wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

"justsoyaknow" just so ya know, none of those guys are GOATs. Gebrselassie, Bekele, El Guerrouj... not even circumstantial evidence that they were on EPO.

I can just imagine you giving it all this nonsense talking about Lance before the big admission.

Not at all. In fact Lance is exactly why those guys are LESS suspicious. Lance had teammates, competitors, etc all accusing him of doping, claiming to see him dope, admitting doping themselves. I don't know of anyone claiming to see Gebrselassie, Bekele, or El G of doping. Big difference.

Dude was a 29:10 10k runner. That suggests a possible 2:17 Marathon. The difference is the EPO effect? Maybe not all of it, but most.

I believe the natural limit is around 2:07. You can achieve 4min with EPO.

big difference between track and cycling

Everybody in the peleton knows what's going on

Its a goldfish bowl

Meanwhile Bekele is out in the wilds of Ethiopia not a tester to be found

Nutella1 wrote:

Dude was a 29:10 10k runner. That suggests a possible 2:17 Marathon. The difference is the EPO effect? Maybe not all of it, but most.

I believe the natural limit is around 2:07. You can achieve 4min with EPO.

Wow, Nutella1, I've disagreed with your posts before but you have got to be kidding now. This is the most wrong you've been, on all three points.

Have to agree there

Not the most useful of posts

Maybe that's where the nut in his username comes from

The pharmaceutical industry makes the drugs, and makes the testing equipment and methods.

Athletes are pressured to use the drugs to be competitive. Who makes money? Then training groups are pressured to institute drug testing. Who gets paid to set up these testing facilities? It's an extortion racket. If you think this is a silly claim then wait a few years until the truth comes out. It always does!

This reminds me a bit of how the weapons industry profits from war and conflict.

Nutella1 wrote:

You can achieve 4min with EPO.

That is total bollox.

Cherries and carrot juice are much better.

What's the "EPO effect" for a marathon? Do you min 4 minutes slower or faster?

Nutella1 wrote:

Dude was a 29:10 10k runner. That suggests a possible 2:17 Marathon. The difference is the EPO effect? Maybe not all of it, but most.

I believe the natural limit is around 2:07. You can achieve 4min with EPO.

fed up wrote:

Turkey should be banned for 5 years from international competition and fined a few million euros which should put into drug-testing research. Turkey should also be banned as a training ground for athletes from any nation. Kenya is now turning out a truckload of positive drug tests each year and they should have the same punishments applied.

Sadly none of these things will happen because the sport's governing bodies really do not want to address the drugs problem in track and field.

Do Turkey has an equivilant of TFN perhaps Alptekin could now be their athlete of the year

ya

like dame kelly holmes lol lol..

rekrunner wrote:

What's the "EPO effect" for a marathon? Do you min 4 minutes slower or faster?

Nutella1 wrote:

Dude was a 29:10 10k runner. That suggests a possible 2:17 Marathon. The difference is the EPO effect? Maybe not all of it, but most.

I believe the natural limit is around 2:07. You can achieve 4min with EPO.

I can only wonder why blood doping and epo would not work for long distance running given it's success in xc skiing and race walking.

mo'pak wrote:

I can only wonder why cherries and carrot juice would not work for long distance running given their success in xc skiing and race walking.

BecAuse they don't make the big bucks for big pharma.

J.R. wrote:

BecAuse they don't make the big bucks for big pharma.

Is this the reason why EPO works so well for the other sports?

Do you even know what you're saying?

Do you have a carer? If it, do you think considering it is a good idea?

J.R. wrote:

mo'pak wrote:

I can only wonder why cherries and carrot juice would not work for long distance running given their success in xc skiing and race walking.

BecAuse they don't make the big bucks for big pharma.

I will agree these people would be healthier sticking to cherries and carrot juice, maybe some green tea, flaxseed, coconut oil and broccoli also. The fact is though adding extra red blood cells to the body via doping will help performance in endurance events in the short term.