Wouldn't leaving La Salle a few weeks before the season starts to coach a better team be considered jumping around?
Wouldn't leaving La Salle a few weeks before the season starts to coach a better team be considered jumping around?
Any word on the Nebraska throws opening?
GDRbass wrote:
Wouldn't leaving La Salle a few weeks before the season starts to coach a better team be considered jumping around?
Yes, typically if a coach is gonna leave they will do it
as soon as the Spring Semester ends. Late May-early
June is when you see coaches resigning. But of course
in this case you could argue that because Wood stepped
down mid June and Columbia only started their search
so late it's almost inevitable for a coach to leave their
current school just before the season starts.
And FYI, Ancient Ivy, the La Salle runners always had
that potential. If you look their ONE 14 flat guy was a
14:30 guy as a true Freshmen. Their 4x800 continued
to dominate a non competative mid-d conference w/o
getting faster.
He joined the squad and immediately got an xc title,
led by the same 14 flat 5k runner. But who else made
Vast improvements as such? No one on that distance team
sticks out.
And their Women's program got laughably worse!!!!
If I'm Nebraska, I'd be looking at Nathan Fanger from Kent State. Always has kids at NCAA and is from Montana so might be persuaded to move closer to home.
Neb. throws wrote:
Any word on the Nebraska throws opening?
Nubby wrote:
And FYI, Ancient Ivy, the La Salle runners always had
that potential.
Classic LR comment.
When a coach recruits athletes who then run fast, it's "Coach X can't coach, he just recruits talent"
When a coach improves inherited athletes, it's "Coach X can't coach, they always had that potential and would have done it anyways".
But Ireland's coaching prowess aside, my real point was about him moving around.
He left Yale "late" because, very sadly, the previous La Salle coach had died suddenly. And as you point out, Woods resigned "late", which puts the Columbia job later in the cycle.
Coaches leave jobs for better jobs. And since most of LR believes that athletes succeed despite their coaches, these sudden changes should be seen as a benefit!
This place is full of jerkoffs who don't even think Pat Henry is a good coach. There's no one good in the views of half of you little twerps in here.
I don't listen to anyone in this forum when they talk about whos a solid coach or not, or whos terrible.
Fair enough, I still can't see this ending without more backlash. New job or not.
so? wrote:
This place is full of jerkoffs who don't even think Pat Henry is a good coach. There's no one good in the views of half of you little twerps in here.
I don't listen to anyone in this forum when they talk about whos a solid coach or not, or whos terrible.
Alberto Salazar is a bad coach from what I've heard. He overworks his athletes too much. They peak mid season but come championship time they can't compete.
what do you mean by backlash?
I hardly think Coach Ireland would be concerned about what people say on this board about his career moves.
If he gets offered Columbia and thinks its the best thing for him, his family and his long term coaching career then good for him.
He is a big boy and can make decisions without your approval.
Is P-Hen a good coach or a great recruiter?
Has he ever coached someone who came in with a mediocre time or distance and turned them into a world beater> Names please
William and Mary filled, throws coach from CNU (DIII) and alumni Alex Heacock http://www.tribeathletics.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=25100&ATCLID=209602961
I'm pretty sure they tried to pull him away from Kent when it was open a few years ago (as have other big time programs). I think he is staying at Kent and will take over director at Kent once Lawson retires.
Hammerville, USA wrote:
If I'm Nebraska, I'd be looking at Nathan Fanger from Kent State. Always has kids at NCAA and is from Montana so might be persuaded to move closer to home.
Neb. throws wrote:Any word on the Nebraska throws opening?
College head coaches should be good recruiters. It's a part of the job. High school coaches not so much. International coaches not so much because the athletes qualify for national teams or get sponsored and usually approach certain coaches the other sponsored individuals are working with.
College is about recruiting just as much as coaching on the track. Therefore Pat Henry is a great coach.
"He's not that good, he's a recruiter" is not a fair criticism at all. It's college. Recruiting is what you are SUPPOSED to be good at.
Red neckerson wrote:
Is P-Hen a good coach or a great recruiter?
Has he ever coached someone who came in with a mediocre time or distance and turned them into a world beater> Names please
Name one coach/athlete combo that has?
College coaching IS recruiting! At EVERY level.
A simple question to ask regarding the job a coach did is to ask, "Did they leave the job better then they found it?"
Is the Lasalle job better then when Dan Ireland found it?
what the hell wrote:
what do you mean by backlash?
I hardly think Coach Ireland would be concerned about what people say on this board about his career moves...
Just stopped right there. Because assuming he doesn't care obviously your defense of him goes unnoticed as well. :P
Lily from the food court wrote:
A simple question to ask regarding the job a coach did is to ask, "Did they leave the job better then they found it?"
Is the Lasalle job better then when Dan Ireland found it?
Now here is what I am talking about.
On the Men's Side he had a strong team initially when he first arrived.
He got 2 A10 XC Championships in 3 years and one 3rd place finish ...oddly that 3rd place finish near the exact team that won the previous year...
Only one runner barely makes national running caliber.
And that's it, its the same guy that pops up over
and over again. Not to rank on this guy's talents but
seriously Ireland couldn't recruit or coach another athlete
to that level.
On the track side of things, he drew a rabbit out of the hat with a 1:48 true freshmen. Take a look at the other mid-d guys he had over those 3 years. Not one of them got much better than like a second over their 800 times. Sure he won lots of mid-d events but if you take a look at the A10, it's not a very competitive conference by D1 standards at ALL...
All in all the men's program is about the same as when he found it.
On the Women's Side its a similar story he had a decent team coming in, and he got 1 A10 XC title and 1 runner up. The third (this last year) year they got hilariously horrible. I mean my gosh...he had a 15:40 5k girl this past year and the following best wasn't breaking 17:00!!! It's one thing if this was D2 or D3 but for a D1 school to now not have a single girl running sub 17 for a 5k is a sign of shit recruiting and shit coaching.
La Salle's team a few years back had multiple girls running 16:30s for 5k, including a 10:20 steepler, and a mid 33 10k runner!
All in all the women's program is WAY worse than when he found it.
You do realize that Ireland didn't coach girls at Yale, right?
nubby wrote:
Lily from the food court wrote:A simple question to ask regarding the job a coach did is to ask, "Did they leave the job better then they found it?"
Is the Lasalle job better then when Dan Ireland found it?
Now here is what I am talking about.
On the Men's Side he had a strong team initially when he first arrived.
He got 2 A10 XC Championships in 3 years and one 3rd place finish ...oddly that 3rd place finish near the exact team that won the previous year...
Only one runner barely makes national running caliber.
And that's it, its the same guy that pops up over
and over again. Not to rank on this guy's talents but
seriously Ireland couldn't recruit or coach another athlete
to that level.
On the track side of things, he drew a rabbit out of the hat with a 1:48 true freshmen. Take a look at the other mid-d guys he had over those 3 years. Not one of them got much better than like a second over their 800 times. Sure he won lots of mid-d events but if you take a look at the A10, it's not a very competitive conference by D1 standards at ALL...
All in all the men's program is about the same as when he found it.
On the Women's Side its a similar story he had a decent team coming in, and he got 1 A10 XC title and 1 runner up. The third (this last year) year they got hilariously horrible. I mean my gosh...he had a 15:40 5k girl this past year and the following best wasn't breaking 17:00!!! It's one thing if this was D2 or D3 but for a D1 school to now not have a single girl running sub 17 for a 5k is a sign of shit recruiting and shit coaching.
La Salle's team a few years back had multiple girls running 16:30s for 5k, including a 10:20 steepler, and a mid 33 10k runner!
All in all the women's program is WAY worse than when he found it.
It should be noted that his two "national caliber runners" in Santana and McGlinchy were not even his recruits. In fact this year's graduating seniors and 5th years were the last of Torpey's recruits to be coached by him. And the juniors were his last recruiting class before he passed away.
Granted he walked into a situation that was very sad and a very tough situation but it would have been interesting to see how La Salle would have fared once Ireland had a recruiting class or two contributing to the program.
Broad St Bullies wrote:
It should be noted that his two "national caliber runners" in Santana and McGlinchy were not even his recruits. In fact this year's graduating seniors and 5th years were the last of Torpey's recruits to be coached by him. And the juniors were his last recruiting class before he passed away.
Granted he walked into a situation that was very sad and a very tough situation but it would have been interesting to see how La Salle would have fared once Ireland had a recruiting class or two contributing to the program.
So essentially you really can't determine anything from what is given here in this situation.
Is the program in better shape or in worse shape? It's too difficult to really answer that question, as Ireland's recruits are still young. No one has seen them grow aside from Chris Sanders (the 1:48 freshmen).
Personally I'd say he was on track to make something happen and he still might be as I don't see anywhere saying he's leaving La Salle.