Let me get this strait, you people actually BELIEVE Yuki Kawauchi is clean? Please.

prove it or shut up wrote:

little or no awareness of the sport.

Little or no awareness of the sport. Bro, I think it's you who has little or no awareness of reality. 99.9% of elite athletes are dirty. And before anyone jumps on here and says Yuki isn't elite, think again; 2:08 is still an elite marathon time. And running two sub-2:10s in 14 days is an elite achievement. Unfortunately, the latter is an elite achievement only achievable through PED use. I know it hurts to think about your favorite athletes being dirty, but it's part of the game.

gh wrote:

yes

why wouldn't they test when there's a test available for it duh!

There is a test available for it in the NFL and they don't test for it.

Of course Kawauchi is doped. His doping has a name : MOTIVATION.

It seems in thiswebsite very few people can think the MOTIVATION can be the biggest motor for an atlete.

When some athlete has the mentality to see till where he can arrive WITH THIS OWN FORCES, because he RESPONDS TO HIMSELF ONLY (without looking at the secondary effects, as glory or money), he NEVER look at doping, or at some legal aid from outside his body and his mind. Why ? Because, if he wants to discover his limits, to get doping means TO CHEAT HIMSELF.

And, also if you don't believe this possible, THERE ARE A LOT OF TOP RUNNERS HAVING THIS MENTALITY (including the World Record Holders in middle and log distances).

But of course, for people NOT BELIEVING IN THEMSELVES, something is possible only cheating.

You are a poor person, and I feel pity for you.

Renato Canova wrote:

You are a poor person, and I feel pity for you.

That's it.

I pity you, JHA. I sincerely hope you can find peace inside your heart because it must be hell living like that.

Yuki Kipsang wrote:

Renato Canova wrote:

You are a poor person, and I feel pity for you.

That's it.

I pity you, JHA. I sincerely hope you can find peace inside your heart because it must be hell living like that.

Living like what? Realistically?

Josh Hamilton's Addiction wrote:

Living like what? Realistically?

Maybe you are right but I prefer to believe someone is innocent until proven guilty.

You seem to be very bitter.

Maybe I am being unfair. My apologies if that is the case.

Yuki Kipsang wrote:

Josh Hamilton's Addiction wrote:

Living like what? Realistically?

Maybe you are right but I prefer to believe someone is innocent until proven guilty.

You seem to be very bitter.

Maybe I am being unfair. My apologies if that is the case.

I'm not bitter. I am a fan of Yuki's. I cheered for him in New York in November. But I don't wear rose colored glasses.

Josh Hamilton's Addiction wrote:

I'm not bitter. I am a fan of Yuki's. I cheered for him in New York in November. But I don't wear rose colored glasses.

I understand your point now.

Yuki Kawaguuchi does NOT get paid for any appearance fees or sponsorships from running. The costs of doping for him greatly outweigh the benifits and he has NO INCENTIVE to dope. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/03/sports/japanese-civil-servant-runs-marathon-for-fun-not-profit.html?_r=0

Josh Hamilton's Addiction wrote:

Little or no awareness of the sport. Bro, I think it's you who has little or no awareness of reality. 99.9% of elite athletes are dirty. And before anyone jumps on here and says Yuki isn't elite, think again; 2:08 is still an elite marathon time. And running two sub-2:10s in 14 days is an elite achievement. Unfortunately, the latter is an elite achievement only achievable through PED use. I know it hurts to think about your favorite athletes being dirty, but it's part of the game.

Are you an elite athlete?

Do you work with elite athletes?

Are you in any way involved in elite athletics?

Have you personally witnessed doping?

Are you privy to test results showing that the majority of elite athletes dope?

If you don't have any evidence, you're making a baseless assertion and shouldn't be surprised that people think you're an idiot. Just because you've come to a cynical conclusion doesn't mean you're right.

Ho Hum wrote:

If you don't have any evidence, you're making a baseless assertion and shouldn't be surprised that people think you're an idiot. Just because you've come to a cynical conclusion doesn't mean you're right.

Claiming an athlete is clean is just as baseless as claiming he's dirty.

Therefore, Josh H. A.'s claims are baseless.

Josh Hamilton's Addiction wrote: Claiming an athlete is clean is just as baseless as claiming he's dirty.

Josh Hamilton's Addiction wrote:

Claiming an athlete is clean is just as baseless as claiming he's dirty.

So do you deny that you are a gun-toting child rapist, then?

so then wrote:

Josh Hamilton's Addiction wrote:

Claiming an athlete is clean is just as baseless as claiming he's dirty.

So do you deny that you are a gun-toting child rapist, then?

Sure do.

Not when you KNOW an athlete is clean, and you SUPPOSE an athlete is dirty

Josh Hamilton's Addiction wrote:

so then wrote:

So do you deny that you are a gun-toting child rapist, then?

Sure do.

You're making a completely baseless claim that you are not a rapist. Prove it.

Yes...you are right. Everyone who is faster than you is dirty. His recovery times are very suspicious but he may be a genetic freak like Usain Bolt. You will only have to complain about him or another year or two unless he starts resting between marathons.

Well, that is such a ridiculous thing to say, that I don't know where to begin. I suppose I should just say, don't make malicious accusations unless you actually know the person you are talking about. And their culture, for that matter.

Come to Japan, spend some time here, in fact, spend some time with Kawauchi. Doping by runners is just not part of the culture - it's not part of their mindset, they don't know much (anything) about it, and even if they did, would never consider doing it. Especially Kawauchi, who is just a young, naive, innocent, decent, hard-working guy. Don't scoff - it's true.

You shouldn't layer your own biases/experiences on top of people/cultures you know nothing about. I'm sorry, but you're just way off base here. I know you want to stick to your own beliefs (people believe what they want to believe) and attitudes, but you're going to have to trust me on this one. If you don't trust me, as I said, come to Japan and absorb the running culture. Just as very few Japanese cross the street when the pedestrian light is red, EVEN IF there are no cars in sight, no Japanese runners would consider taking drugs, even if they knew anything about them, which they don't.

"Gaman" - perseverance - is the Japanese runners' ideal - this is literally what they live by - they live to sacrifice themselves to their running - by running, not by cheating. It's true, believe me, it's true.

Tokyoracer's post is excellent.

Seriously, JHA, why not do what he suggests and go to Japan to see how they train there?

I would, if I could.