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10 years ago 11/03/2013 3:08pm EST

re: lolrunner

i agree for real wrote:
2 million spectators!!!??? Ha. the 1 million number they used to proudly throw around was ridiculous. so i guess they just decided that another 1 million people would come out and watch?
26.2 x 5280 = 138,336 feet of running in the marathon
1 million / 138, 336 = 7.2 spectators per foot of course
2 million = 14.2 spectators per foot of course
The numbers only increase if you toss out the first 2 miles of the course because there are no spectators on the bridge.
Who do they think actually believes this garbage?

Actually, there will be maybe 22 miles of course where spectators are allowed, subtracting the bridges and a bit more. Then it would be 17 people per foot for 2 million spectators. However, you are not counting both sides of the course. So, it is about 8.5 people per foot of course. Now that's obviously ridiculous. There are stretches of the course where there aren't many people out, such as the orthodox Jewish section of East Williamsburg, where people are completely indifferent to the race, and parts of Queens in Greenpoint and parts of Harlem and the Bronx. Some stretches of the course have multiple people packed together and multiple rows. In those miles, getting back into Manhattan for maybe 35 blocks, But where you have the potential for a lot more spectators is in the buildings surrounding the course, without there being a visibly high density of spectators. What that # is, I have no idea.

10 years ago 11/03/2013 3:47pm EST

re: rojo

rojo wrote:
first mile..... wrote:
Over 20 minutes in.
They have shown 52 seconds of running.
I've got no problem with that. What do you want to see, them running side by side with little happening. You have to set the story, give the viewers the background so they know what they are watching. Most ESPN viewers aren't on LetsRun.com 24/7.

They should do the same thing in basketball games, after all we only need to see the finish of them or the recaps.

10 years ago 11/03/2013 4:12pm EST

re: Pointing Out the Obvious

Pointing Out the Obvious wrote:
Oh, and here's another one for you.
Remember this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5D56ZAvcxN0
And the form clowns who said that Tergat lost because he did not have the proper form? Of course, this hilarious claim was made without ever managing to explain how Tergat was better than the other 6 billion people on the planet, many thousands of whom had 'better form'.

The more you type, the more your lack of knowledge shows. As in any other sport, form is very important. But in running, there are so many other variables. Just because a person runs well or wins, does not mean that their form is the best.

10 years ago 11/03/2013 4:21pm EST

re: jjjjjjjjj

jjjjjjjjj wrote:
i agree for real wrote:
2 million spectators!!!??? Ha. the 1 million number they used to proudly throw around was ridiculous. so i guess they just decided that another 1 million people would come out and watch?
26.2 x 5280 = 138,336 feet of running in the marathon
1 million / 138, 336 = 7.2 spectators per foot of course
2 million = 14.2 spectators per foot of course
The numbers only increase if you toss out the first 2 miles of the course because there are no spectators on the bridge.
Who do they think actually believes this garbage?
Actually, there will be maybe 22 miles of course where spectators are allowed, subtracting the bridges and a bit more. Then it would be 17 people per foot for 2 million spectators. However, you are not counting both sides of the course. So, it is about 8.5 people per foot of course. Now that's obviously ridiculous. There are stretches of the course where there aren't many people out, such as the orthodox Jewish section of East Williamsburg, where people are completely indifferent to the race, and parts of Queens in Greenpoint and parts of Harlem and the Bronx. Some stretches of the course have multiple people packed together and multiple rows. In those miles, getting back into Manhattan for maybe 35 blocks, But where you have the potential for a lot more spectators is in the buildings surrounding the course, without there being a visibly high density of spectators. What that # is,
I have no idea.

yeh, but then you think that even on a non-marathon day, how many people pass by the route? a million? So while they aren't necessarily cheering, they are walking by the race on teh way to the deli for a turkey sandwich or what you will.

Point is, the normal foottraffic of nyc is huge and if you count it, a million or two isn't crazy.

10 years ago 11/03/2013 4:37pm EST

re: jjjjjjjjj

jjjjjjjjj wrote:
Actually, there will be maybe 22 miles of course where spectators are allowed, subtracting the bridges and a bit more. Then it would be 17 people per foot for 2 million spectators. However, you are not counting both sides of the course. So, it is about 8.5 people per foot of course. Now that's obviously ridiculous. There are stretches of the course where there aren't many people out, such as the orthodox Jewish section of East Williamsburg, where people are completely indifferent to the race, and parts of Queens in Greenpoint and parts of Harlem and the Bronx. Some stretches of the course have multiple people packed together and multiple rows. In those miles, getting back into Manhattan for maybe 35 blocks, But where you have the potential for a lot more spectators is in the buildings surrounding the course, without there being a visibly high density of spectators. What that # is, I have no idea.

You make a good point that you have to count both sides of the course. However, you also need to acknowledge that most people aren't watching as the entire marathon goes by-- in other words, very few people watch from Mutai to Pam Anderson. Especially in the high density areas, where folks are 6 or 7 deep-- there's a lot of turnover there. People stay from anywhere between 10 minutes and two hours and then are replaced by other spectators.

The regular foot traffic probablyy isn't really a factor-- nobody is going out to grab a sandwich at the deli on first avenue on marathon day.

10 years ago 11/03/2013 4:40pm EST

re: tyui

tyui wrote:
yeh, but then you think that even on a non-marathon day, how many people pass by the route? a million? So while they aren't necessarily cheering, they are walking by the race on teh way to the deli for a turkey sandwich or what you will.
Point is, the normal foottraffic of nyc is huge and if you count it, a million or two isn't crazy.

Yes it is crazy. 1 million people don't pass by the marathon course on any given day. 1 million people are NOT anywhere near the course on marathon day.

New York RR club exaggerates the spectator count by at least a factor of ten, probably a factor of 20.

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