Wang Junxia - Was she on peds or was she on PEDs???

I do agree that Flojo's 10.49 was wind-aided.

The wind was +4 m/s all day except for the 0.0 reading for her race and one other race.

Not +1.32. Not -0.2. But 0.0.

Carl Lewis and Willie Banks both exceeded world records that day that did not count because of excessive wind.

Car ran 9.78 that day but a 9.92 PR/AR later that year in Seoul behind Ben Johnsons' 9.79.

Common sense tells you that something was wrong with Flojo's record and the record from the 993 Beijing games.

dkny64 wrote:

I find it interesting that T&FN doesn't include any of the times from that meet in their list of top times - see

http://trackandfieldnews.com/index.php/tafn-lists?list_id=9&sex_id=W&yyear=2008

. No times from Shanghai 1997 included either.

I'm also amused that they call FloJo's 10.49 wind aided. Probably true but funny that a US publication is less inclined to credit that result than the IAAF.

T&FN used to be good, though always biased, but now it is garbage. I've not even looked at an issue for a couple of decades.

dkny64 wrote:

Since you mention T&FN having sent a reporter to the meet, I find it interesting that T&FN doesn't include any of the times from that meet in their list of top times - see

http://trackandfieldnews.com/index.php/tafn-lists?list_id=9&sex_id=W&yyear=2008

. No times from Shanghai 1997 included either.

I'm also amused that they call FloJo's 10.49 wind aided. Probably true but funny that a US publication is less inclined to credit that result than the IAAF.

Wang was their 1993 Athlete of the Year.

They now discount the 1993 Beijing women's remarks and the 1997 Shanghai women's 1500m marks because the circumstances strain all credulity. And they're right to do so, but not because of a short track or failing to run the complete number of laps. Their man was there and reported no such infraction. The New York Times had their Beijing bureau chief there, too, and if there had been anything to suggest that, it would have been written.

Do you have an easy way to post links to their coverage of those meets at the time?

Outside of that crazy meet, in 1993 Wang was the 10,000m world champion in a dominate fashion. She was the world leader in the marathon, set earlier in the year. And she set a national 3000m record early in the year.

So even without the Beijing Games, she was a candidate for Athlete of he Year.

She was seriously good.

But what she did in less than a week defies logic.

Sep 8- WR at 10,000m by 42 s

Sep 11 - Surpassed previous WR at 1500m

Sep 12 - WR at 3000m by over 10 s in a PRELIM

Sep 13 - Lowered 3000m WR by another 6 seconds and 5 women surpass previous record

Why would you even bother to chase the 3000m record in a prelim that occurred the day after bettering the 1500m WR and the day before the 3000m final?

* wrote:

Outside of that crazy meet, in 1993 Wang was the 10,000m world champion in a dominate fashion. She was the world leader in the marathon, set earlier in the year. And she set a national 3000m record early in the year.

So even without the Beijing Games, she was a candidate for Athlete of he Year.

She was seriously good.

But what she did in less than a week defies logic.

Sep 8- WR at 10,000m by 42 s

Sep 11 - Surpassed previous WR at 1500m

Sep 12 - WR at 3000m by over 10 s in a PRELIM

Sep 13 - Lowered 3000m WR by another 6 seconds and 5 women surpass previous record

Why would you even bother to chase the 3000m record in a prelim that occurred the day after bettering the 1500m WR and the day before the 3000m final?

It does not defy logic. That doesn't even make sense. Do you know what logic means? These records were obviously weak which is why she and the others were able to break them by so much in so little time.

The 10000m record was weak but the 1500m and 3000m records were quite strong - 1500m record was 3:52.47 and hasn't been bettered by anyone other than those Chinese runners; 3000m record was 8:22.62 and the only women to beat it other than those Chinese women are Radcliffe [8:22.20], O'Sullivan [8:21.64] and Szabo [8:21.42].

dkny64 wrote:

Do you have an easy way to post links to their coverage of those meets at the time?

Stupid comments wrote:

they trained hard, period.

ha ha, isn't this an exact quote from Salazar from a few weeks back?

the vivians wrote:

Stupid comments wrote:

they trained hard, period.

ha ha, isn't this an exact quote from Salazar from a few weeks back?

Except his men aren't taking 2% off world records.

did they check

if Wang had a Wanger !!!

ala the trousers department .

Jeff Wigand wrote:

Except his men aren't taking 2% off world records.

Right, because if Salazar's men ever decided to cheat they would surely take 2% off world records, not finish a measly 1,2 in the Olympics. Pfft.

it all seems plausible with doping

except 10,000m splits .

3000m was perfect distance for all ma's women

with there 1500m speed that never been seen before

and then the various levels of endurance had

reflecting the times

with wang being the best .

and the fact raced so much doesnt matter

if that doped up ,recover with epo ,steroids

and sorry worms lots of worms .earthworm jim run.

no matter how important epo was to records

with maintaining very high hct for maximum adaption

to training and just getting through ma's training .

looking at 1500m speed and how eastern europeans did

see that these times not possible with out steroids

.the appropriate dose ,of course .

wangs muscles look alittle bit more defined in 1993

beijing photo.

steroids + epo + extremes training + even blood transfusions

and get the 1500m times never seen before

and the crazy hct carried that speed through for

longer distance and got 1* wang .

dkny64 wrote:

The 10000m record was weak but the 1500m and 3000m records were quite strong - 1500m record was 3:52.47 and hasn't been bettered by anyone other than those Chinese runners; 3000m record was 8:22.62 and the only women to beat it other than those Chinese women are Radcliffe [8:22.20], O'Sullivan [8:21.64] and Szabo [8:21.42].

None of the top female runners have TRIED to break those records. This has to be obvious to you so why do you ignore it?

There was a thread here a while back about what happened to Wang when she and many others left Ma's army after 1996 (I've been searching for it but can't find it at all.) The thread had links to an article which quoted her a lot. No revelations or drug use, but the regimen she and others endured under him was appalling, and the story of what happened when she left the group deserves sympathy. Ma was an abusive animal. She was never the same runner after that, and still suffered physical effects from her training. If anyone cares to look, this thread has to be somewhere...As a runner and as a person, her records and those of her training group definitely merit scrutiny, but there is another side, she worked insanely hard, she was a tough competitor (in the same way as Paula, I think), and she does deserve some sympathy for how she suffered during and after this time.

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oh yeah333 wrote:

Biggest cheater of all time in my book. Her world records are a joke.

Going back to the first post.

I don't give legitimacy to her records and I think her World Championship and Olympic medals may be tainted.

But I don't know how much I think she was involved in this.

I think she was a serious competitor and trained like a beast.

She may have trusted what Ma was giving her.

And IF she ran the incorrect distances in that meet, she was following orders.

I do want to give Wang Junxia credit as a runner and as a person whose reputation was besmirched due to outside forces.

I don't think she got to enjoy this and she may have become a happy champion regardless.

Just FYI, Kenny Moore from SI on the Chinese in 1993

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1138577/2/index.htm

Lance Armstrong dominates world cycling for seven straight years: Hey, everyone was on drugs, so it was an equal playing field. Lance was simply the most talented of all the dopers. God bless America.

Wang Junxia sets 1500, 3000, and 10,000 meter records in one meet: Total Joke. She must have been on super drug cocktail, the track was short, and the laps were miscounted, because there is simply no way a Chinese person could be the most talented.

Thanks for posting that, very interesting stuff!

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