RE: What is the single darkest moment in human history?

white/male/rich wrote:

i hope this is some sort of prank. otherwise, heydrich, you are a horrible human being. I'm not even going to bother seriously responding to your post, because it's obvious you are an ignorant person and won't be swayed by anything i have to say. Many relatives of mine were murdered in the holocaust, and there is no doubt in my mind that it occured or not. "Extorting hundreds of billions of dollars" that in an of itself is a ridiculous claim.

Many relatives of yours were murdered so that definitely means it happened and that millions we're killed? I'm not a Holocaust denier but your argument is ignorant and weak.

El Mexicano del rancho! wrote:

Murder of thousands of innocent men, women and children by the United States at Hiroshima and Nagasaki

Murder of thousands of Jews during the Holocaust by Nazi Germany

Murder of millions of people during the years of the Inquisitions by the Catholic church from the 1300's-1700's

All those are pretty horrific and disturbing events in human history.

Yeah, pretty horrific. Imagine how bad it would have been if there were, say, a thousand times as many murders there.

I agree. It's crazy how people take majority opinion as ABSOLUTE FACT and don't even realize that's the only reason they're believing it.

WE NEED TO STOP TAKING THE AUTHORITY AS TRUTH AND START TAKING THE TRUTH AS AUTHORITY.

Think about your reasons for actually believing something rather than just saying "it's obvious because everyone knows..."

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Bigtool05 wrote:

The day the OP was born

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some other random ideas wrote:

Hiroshima

Nagasaki

Dresden

Pol Pot's murderous regime

Hutus and Tutsis working to exterminate each other

Hitler's Holocaust

extermination of the Beothuk

Breivik in Norway

Spanish Inquisition

That's a "slam dunk", but don't forget Stalin's internal genocide. Ten million is often quoted as the death toll.

Mao's Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution:Great Leap Forward:

Cultural Revolution:

When the fire went out for the first time after our ancestors discovered it.

I was going to say the Holocaust was the darkest event in human history -- the first systematic, even scientific genocide, executed by citizens of a once-civilized Western nation that also produced Goethe, Beethoven, etc. etc., resulting in the deaths of more than six million people.

But the African slave trade, perpetrated by whites and Africans both (although for the benefit of New World peoples of European stock), exiled 12-15 million people under the most brutal conditions imaginable for a long period, from the 16th to the 19th century. Many millions more died either in the middle passage or from disease, abuse and starvation once they arrived.

I don't know which is worse.

starmiler wrote:

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But the African slave trade, perpetrated by whites and Africans both (although for the benefit of New World peoples of European stock), exiled 12-15 million people under the most brutal conditions imaginable for a long period, from the 16th to the 19th century. Many millions more died either in the middle passage or from disease, abuse and starvation once they arrived.

I don't know which is worse.

FALSE!

Why do people have such a hard time accepting that blacks were enslaving other blacks in Africa way before the Europeans showed up, continued to do so way past Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation, and were most certainly doing so on a mass scale during the entire time of the trans-Atlantic Slave Trade?

a civilized people turned evil wrote:

I agree that the consequences of Mao's and Stalin's actions were worse than those of Hitler. Communism has caused tens of millions more deaths than national socialism. ...

Not going to speak of Stalin's actions, Mao saved hundreds of millions from starvation, diseases, natural disasters, no wonder he was considered a savior.

Just look at the population growth in China from 1840 to 1940, near zero, and compare that with the growth from 1950 to 2010, nearly 200% (or from 1950 to 1980 shortly after Mao's death).

The actions of the western countries in China for the period of more than 100 years prior to 1949 probably killed off millions of Chinese. The British opium trade is certainly one of the dark moments in human history

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a red guard wrote:

a civilized people turned evil wrote:

I agree that the consequences of Mao's and Stalin's actions were worse than those of Hitler. Communism has caused tens of millions more deaths than national socialism. ...

Not going to speak of Stalin's actions, Mao saved hundreds of millions from starvation, diseases, natural disasters, no wonder he was considered a savior.

Just look at the population growth in China from 1840 to 1940, near zero, and compare that with the growth from 1950 to 2010, nearly 200% (or from 1950 to 1980 shortly after Mao's death).

The actions of the western countries in China for the period of more than 100 years prior to 1949 probably killed off millions of Chinese. The British opium trade is certainly one of the dark moments in human history

Mao did that "saving", huh?

Okaayyyyyyy!

Just like Pearl Harbor, Hiroshima/Nagasaki occurred in in the midst of war or the initiation of a wartime state. You who accused a poster of ignorance for suggesting PH...America warned Japan twice(probably more) that they were going to drop the nukes. Yes it is innocent civilians but Japan actually had control over the situation. In refusing to surrender they were failing to protect their citizens. Yes the atomic bombs caused more deaths initially but Pearl Harbor jump started the pacific part of WW2 which caused many deaths over the course of the war. Also, Japan offered no warning. I'm just playing devils advocate...but its is simply wrong to dismiss the idea that PH was not comparable to the atomic bombs. Yup.

a red guard wrote:Just look at the population growth in China from 1840 to 1940, near zero, and compare that with the growth from 1950 to 2010, nearly 200% (or from 1950 to 1980 shortly after Mao's death).

I know Mao slept with a lot of women, but...

Seriously, think how much more the population of China would have grown if Mao hadn't killed 10s of millions more.

As cited above:

Mao's Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution:

Great Leap Forward:

The Great Leap ended in catastrophe, resulting in tens of millions of deaths.[3] Estimates of the death toll range from 18 million[4] to 45 million,[5] with estimates by demographic specialists ranging from 18 million to 32.5 million.[4] Historian Frank Dikötter asserts that "coercion, terror, and systematic violence were the very foundation of the Great Leap Forward" and it "motivated one of the most deadly mass killings of human history".[6]

Cultural Revolution:

The true figure of those who were persecuted or died during the Cultural Revolution may never be known, since many deaths went unreported or were actively covered up by the police or local authorities. The state of Chinese demographics at the time was very poor, and the PRC has been hesitant to allow formal research into the period.[100] In Mao's Last Revolution (2006), Roderick MacFarquhar and Michael Schoenhals assert that in rural China alone some 36 million people were persecuted, of whom between 750,000 and 1.5 million were killed, with roughly the same number permanently injured.[101] In Mao: The Unknown Story, Jung Chang and Jon Halliday claim that as many as 3 million people died in the violence of the Cultural Revolution.[102] Sociologist Daniel Chirot claims that around 100 million people suffered and at least one million people, and perhaps as many as 20 million, died in the Cultural Revolution.[103]

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And where is any evidence of causation? Did Mao also cause the population growth in the rest of the world from 1950 to 1980, because there was a huge growth in WORLD population at the same time.

xoxo wrote:

Communism killed no one. Men did.

Communist men killed lots of people:

When Apes learned to read

when high fructose corn syrup was invented