Down goes the Dow

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Sally Vix wrote:

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agip wrote:

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Sally Vix wrote:

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Dr. Racket wrote:

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agip wrote:
Emerging markets starting to stretch their legs
Now soundly beating the SP500 over 1 and 3 months and equal over a year.
Could be a source of outperformance if this sticks.

Emerging
1m +7%
3m +16.4%
12m +18%

SP500

1m +3.9%
3m 8.0%
12m +18.5%

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I feel like emerging markets will always do better/worse than US indexes in good/bad times.

When would emerging markets do worse than the SP500, assuming the global economy is "good."

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I tend to avoid emerging markets like the plague. The Vanguard total stock Emerging Markets has only returned 3% over the last 10 years. That is nothing especially when you compare it the S & P.

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between 2000 and 2010 the Sp500 had almost no return
but EM were up around 7% per year.

That's not exact, but in the ballpark.
10 years is a long time.

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agip - for the last 10 years the S & P is up what? 400%? And emerging markets - 3%? Would you rather have 3% returns or 400% returns?

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agip wrote:

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Sally Vix wrote:

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agip wrote:

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Sally Vix wrote:

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Dr. Racket wrote:

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agip wrote:
Emerging markets starting to stretch their legs
Now soundly beating the SP500 over 1 and 3 months and equal over a year.
Could be a source of outperformance if this sticks.

Emerging
1m +7%
3m +16.4%
12m +18%

SP500

1m +3.9%
3m 8.0%
12m +18.5%

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I feel like emerging markets will always do better/worse than US indexes in good/bad times.

When would emerging markets do worse than the SP500, assuming the global economy is "good."

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I tend to avoid emerging markets like the plague. The Vanguard total stock Emerging Markets has only returned 3% over the last 10 years. That is nothing especially when you compare it the S & P.

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between 2000 and 2010 the Sp500 had almost no return
but EM were up around 7% per year.

That's not exact, but in the ballpark.
10 years is a long time.

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agip - for the last 10 years the S & P is up what? 400%? And emerging markets - 3%? Would you rather have 3% returns or 400% returns?

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yeah we're not disagreeing.
I'd just turn that around. If this were 2010 I'd tell you

Sally - for the last 10 years emerging markets are up what - 100%? And the SP500 - 0%? Would you rather have 100% returns or 0% returns?

Returns can be a pendulum. To get the pendulum both ways is to be blessed with large returns.

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Sally Vix wrote:

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agip wrote:

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Sally Vix wrote:

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agip wrote:

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Sally Vix wrote:

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Dr. Racket wrote:

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agip wrote:
Emerging markets starting to stretch their legs
Now soundly beating the SP500 over 1 and 3 months and equal over a year.
Could be a source of outperformance if this sticks.

Emerging
1m +7%
3m +16.4%
12m +18%

SP500

1m +3.9%
3m 8.0%
12m +18.5%

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I feel like emerging markets will always do better/worse than US indexes in good/bad times.

When would emerging markets do worse than the SP500, assuming the global economy is "good."

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I tend to avoid emerging markets like the plague. The Vanguard total stock Emerging Markets has only returned 3% over the last 10 years. That is nothing especially when you compare it the S & P.

---

between 2000 and 2010 the Sp500 had almost no return
but EM were up around 7% per year.

That's not exact, but in the ballpark.
10 years is a long time.

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agip - for the last 10 years the S & P is up what? 400%? And emerging markets - 3%? Would you rather have 3% returns or 400% returns?

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yeah we're not disagreeing.
I'd just turn that around. If this were 2010 I'd tell you

Sally - for the last 10 years emerging markets are up what - 100%? And the SP500 - 0%? Would you rather have 100% returns or 0% returns?

Returns can be a pendulum. To get the pendulum both ways is to be blessed with large returns.

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Agip - not sure why you did the 2000 to 2010 route. That was a terrible time for the markets. The Emerging markets have sucked for 20 years. The Dow has rocked the last 10 years and the emerging markets haven't done anything in 20 years. Nothing

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Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Infinity rule of the Troll, keeps it up for six years. 😘

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agip wrote:

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Sally Vix wrote:

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agip wrote:

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Sally Vix wrote:

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agip wrote:

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Sally Vix wrote:

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Dr. Racket wrote:

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agip wrote:
Emerging markets starting to stretch their legs
Now soundly beating the SP500 over 1 and 3 months and equal over a year.
Could be a source of outperformance if this sticks.

Emerging
1m +7%
3m +16.4%
12m +18%

SP500

1m +3.9%
3m 8.0%
12m +18.5%

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I feel like emerging markets will always do better/worse than US indexes in good/bad times.

When would emerging markets do worse than the SP500, assuming the global economy is "good."

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I tend to avoid emerging markets like the plague. The Vanguard total stock Emerging Markets has only returned 3% over the last 10 years. That is nothing especially when you compare it the S & P.

---

between 2000 and 2010 the Sp500 had almost no return
but EM were up around 7% per year.

That's not exact, but in the ballpark.
10 years is a long time.

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agip - for the last 10 years the S & P is up what? 400%? And emerging markets - 3%? Would you rather have 3% returns or 400% returns?

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yeah we're not disagreeing.
I'd just turn that around. If this were 2010 I'd tell you

Sally - for the last 10 years emerging markets are up what - 100%? And the SP500 - 0%? Would you rather have 100% returns or 0% returns?

Returns can be a pendulum. To get the pendulum both ways is to be blessed with large returns.

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Agip - not sure why you did the 2000 to 2010 route. That was a terrible time for the markets. The Emerging markets have sucked for 20 years. The Dow has rocked the last 10 years and the emerging markets haven't done anything in 20 years. Nothing

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I'm showing you how dangerous it is to assume the next decade will be the same as the current decade.
2000 was bad in the US but just fine for emerging markets.
This happens.
This will happen again.
I'm done here - this is a simple concept that does not need more explanation.

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Sally Vix wrote:

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agip wrote:

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Sally Vix wrote:

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agip wrote:

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Sally Vix wrote:

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agip wrote:

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Sally Vix wrote:

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Dr. Racket wrote:

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agip wrote:
Emerging markets starting to stretch their legs
Now soundly beating the SP500 over 1 and 3 months and equal over a year.
Could be a source of outperformance if this sticks.

Emerging
1m +7%
3m +16.4%
12m +18%

SP500

1m +3.9%
3m 8.0%
12m +18.5%

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I feel like emerging markets will always do better/worse than US indexes in good/bad times.

When would emerging markets do worse than the SP500, assuming the global economy is "good."

---

I tend to avoid emerging markets like the plague. The Vanguard total stock Emerging Markets has only returned 3% over the last 10 years. That is nothing especially when you compare it the S & P.

---

between 2000 and 2010 the Sp500 had almost no return
but EM were up around 7% per year.

That's not exact, but in the ballpark.
10 years is a long time.

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agip - for the last 10 years the S & P is up what? 400%? And emerging markets - 3%? Would you rather have 3% returns or 400% returns?

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yeah we're not disagreeing.
I'd just turn that around. If this were 2010 I'd tell you

Sally - for the last 10 years emerging markets are up what - 100%? And the SP500 - 0%? Would you rather have 100% returns or 0% returns?

Returns can be a pendulum. To get the pendulum both ways is to be blessed with large returns.

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Agip - not sure why you did the 2000 to 2010 route. That was a terrible time for the markets. The Emerging markets have sucked for 20 years. The Dow has rocked the last 10 years and the emerging markets haven't done anything in 20 years. Nothing

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I'm showing you how dangerous it is to assume the next decade will be the same as the current decade.
2000 was bad in the US but just fine for emerging markets.
This happens.
This will happen again.
I'm done here - this is a simple concept that does not need more explanation.

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Not sure why you are done - Emerging Markets have sucked big time this century. The Dow is up like 400% so stay away from emerging markets. They suck.

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agip wrote:

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Sally Vix wrote:

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agip wrote:

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Sally Vix wrote:

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agip wrote:

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Sally Vix wrote:

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agip wrote:

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Sally Vix wrote:

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Dr. Racket wrote:

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agip wrote:
Emerging markets starting to stretch their legs
Now soundly beating the SP500 over 1 and 3 months and equal over a year.
Could be a source of outperformance if this sticks.

Emerging
1m +7%
3m +16.4%
12m +18%

SP500

1m +3.9%
3m 8.0%
12m +18.5%

---

I feel like emerging markets will always do better/worse than US indexes in good/bad times.

When would emerging markets do worse than the SP500, assuming the global economy is "good."

---

I tend to avoid emerging markets like the plague. The Vanguard total stock Emerging Markets has only returned 3% over the last 10 years. That is nothing especially when you compare it the S & P.

---

between 2000 and 2010 the Sp500 had almost no return
but EM were up around 7% per year.

That's not exact, but in the ballpark.
10 years is a long time.

---

agip - for the last 10 years the S & P is up what? 400%? And emerging markets - 3%? Would you rather have 3% returns or 400% returns?

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yeah we're not disagreeing.
I'd just turn that around. If this were 2010 I'd tell you

Sally - for the last 10 years emerging markets are up what - 100%? And the SP500 - 0%? Would you rather have 100% returns or 0% returns?

Returns can be a pendulum. To get the pendulum both ways is to be blessed with large returns.

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Agip - not sure why you did the 2000 to 2010 route. That was a terrible time for the markets. The Emerging markets have sucked for 20 years. The Dow has rocked the last 10 years and the emerging markets haven't done anything in 20 years. Nothing

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I'm showing you how dangerous it is to assume the next decade will be the same as the current decade.
2000 was bad in the US but just fine for emerging markets.
This happens.
This will happen again.
I'm done here - this is a simple concept that does not need more explanation.

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Not sure why you are done - Emerging Markets have sucked big time this century. The Dow is up like 400% so stay away from emerging markets. They suck.

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ah no
this very basic emerging market ETF is up 11% per year since 2003. That's pretty good.
https://www.ishares.com/us/products/239637/ishares-msci-emerging-markets-etf#/

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jon t wrote:

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Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Infinity rule of the Troll, keeps it up for six years. 😘

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You realized that she wasn’t replying to you, right?

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if you like money this is a good market

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agip wrote:
if you like money this is a good market

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agip wrote:
if you like money this is a good market

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agip wrote:

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agip wrote:
if you like money this is a good market

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seriously....in our lifetimes we're going to have to deal with a market where we can't believe we'll ever hit new highs, where we just grind along, once in a while getting our hopes up, and then smashed on the rocks. For years and years we'll be amazed by how stupid we were not to sell at an obvious peak.

So let's not take this for granted. Let's enjoy the easy money and store some memories.

And not get greedy.

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Headline from CNBC: “Tom Lee says hot IPOs may be a sign retail investors are coming back to stocks”

Did retail ever leave?

🤡

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Ghost of Igloi wrote:
https://twitter.com/jessefelder/status/1349455832585555971

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He may have sold them today, fund up +1.41%. 🤙

Top holdings HSGFX as of 9/30/2020:
https://www.morningstar.com/funds/xnas/hsgfx/portfolio

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Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Headline from CNBC: “Tom Lee says hot IPOs may be a sign retail investors are coming back to stocks”

Did retail ever leave?

🤡

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Who’s gonna buy PLUG?