Down goes the Dow

agip wrote:

Rockz wrote:

The big difference now is what you buy

Yes if you buy the Index then those type of charts ring true

If you exclude Tech from that graph it will look a lot more appealing so this might be a lot more reminiscent of 2000 where a lot of stock other than tech actually did quite well

this.

Value has been roaring this week, and small caps are moving well too.

At some point those sectors and emerging markets will outperform.

Remember that after the tech bust, small cap and emerging markets did very well.

Yeah, but explain today, then.

This sector rotation stuff has been spouted for a long time now. And I grant you, it does do a sputtering start here and there. But tech always seems to keep roaring on in short order.

I'm betting that we see a little outperformance of emerging markets, continuing leadership from tech., stops and starts from small caps (like has been happening forever), and high volatility overall.

There's a lot of very very significant forces at play here and i'm not going to list them for the hundredth time, but i am getting sick of watching the valuation crowd waving their flag like its the only one in the crowd and everything else should bow down to it.

seattle prattle wrote:

Other guy wrote:

Me and hundreds of millions of other Americans in the same boat.

It's like counting my blessings that a helicopter has not fallen out of the sky onto me.

not to quibble over the analogy, but ...this whole thing is premised on consideration for the whole community, not just on you.

Taking the necessary precautions and safeguards is not just protecting yourself, it is protecting others as well. When a helicopter falls out of sky and kills you, it just kills you. But when you get infected with the virus, you are risking your own life as well as everyone else's in your community because you may be passing it along.

And in that regard, 240,000 dead Americans is nothing to belittle. And counting,

Oh please. Spare me the piety when these lockdowns are doing far more damage to far more people than this virus is.

Flag is waving on corporate profits while cheap money encourages speculation.

Das Unkle wrote:

seattle prattle wrote:

not to quibble over the analogy, but ...this whole thing is premised on consideration for the whole community, not just on you.

Taking the necessary precautions and safeguards is not just protecting yourself, it is protecting others as well. When a helicopter falls out of sky and kills you, it just kills you. But when you get infected with the virus, you are risking your own life as well as everyone else's in your community because you may be passing it along.

And in that regard, 240,000 dead Americans is nothing to belittle. And counting,

Oh please. Spare me the piety when these lockdowns are doing far more damage to far more people than this virus is.

It isn't a 'one way or the other' dichotomy.

Get with the program, cut the transmission, then we can open up all the faster and with less infections. Other countries have done so much better than us, it's not too hard to see what we've been doing wrong. Or learn the hard way, and that involves a drawn out process like we are seeing.

The war has just begun agip. China will be -50% any day now

https://www.wsj.com/articles/bidens-china-tech-plan-stronger-defense-quieter-offense-11605102093

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

Try to keep up wrote:

They’re just doing this now? Other states suspended jury trials months ago.

Sure:

https://ballotpedia.org/State_court_closures_in_response_to_the_coronavirus_(COVID-19)_pandemic,_2020

Thanks for proving my point.

seattle prattle wrote:

Das Unkle wrote:

Oh please. Spare me the piety when these lockdowns are doing far more damage to far more people than this virus is.

It isn't a 'one way or the other' dichotomy.

Get with the program, cut the transmission, then we can open up all the faster and with less infections. Other countries have done so much better than us, it's not too hard to see what we've been doing wrong. Or learn the hard way, and that involves a drawn out process like we are seeing.

This covid is being used for a massive transfer or wealth from the majority to a small minority of economic elites. Just look at the numbers. It is not debatable. You are incredibly naive if you think the powers that be are doing these lockdowns out of concern for our well being. Just absured

The Unkle wrote:

seattle prattle wrote:

It isn't a 'one way or the other' dichotomy.

Get with the program, cut the transmission, then we can open up all the faster and with less infections. Other countries have done so much better than us, it's not too hard to see what we've been doing wrong. Or learn the hard way, and that involves a drawn out process like we are seeing.

This covid is being used for a massive transfer or wealth from the majority to a small minority of economic elites. Just look at the numbers. It is not debatable. You are incredibly naive if you think the powers that be are doing these lockdowns out of concern for our well being. Just absured

Please show us those numbers. Thanks!

The Unkle wrote:

seattle prattle wrote:

It isn't a 'one way or the other' dichotomy.

Get with the program, cut the transmission, then we can open up all the faster and with less infections. Other countries have done so much better than us, it's not too hard to see what we've been doing wrong. Or learn the hard way, and that involves a drawn out process like we are seeing.

This covid is being used for a massive transfer or wealth from the majority to a small minority of economic elites. Just look at the numbers. It is not debatable. You are incredibly naive if you think the powers that be are doing these lockdowns out of concern for our well being. Just absured

Okay, i'm tracking with you. But just how deep are we going with this thing? I mean, is it the Chinese who fabricated the virus in a lab behind this massive transfer of wealth? Or big pharma and all the politicians who are at their beck and call? George Soros per chance? Oh, i know, it's that Bill Gates!

Racket wrote:

The war has just begun agip. China will be -50% any day now

https://www.wsj.com/articles/bidens-china-tech-plan-stronger-defense-quieter-offense-11605102093

heh

My biggest concern about china is the lack of young people - the country will probably start shrinking in 2027.

seattle prattle wrote:

The Unkle wrote:

This covid is being used for a massive transfer or wealth from the majority to a small minority of economic elites. Just look at the numbers. It is not debatable. You are incredibly naive if you think the powers that be are doing these lockdowns out of concern for our well being. Just absured

Okay, i'm tracking with you. But just how deep are we going with this thing? I mean, is it the Chinese who fabricated the virus in a lab behind this massive transfer of wealth? Or big pharma and all the politicians who are at their beck and call? George Soros per chance? Oh, i know, it's that Bill Gates!

You’re talking to K5. The villain in his mind is obviously the Jews. Amirite, K5?

* hint: the George Soros reference was explicitly put in there for profiling purposes.

agip wrote:

Racket wrote:

The war has just begun agip. China will be -50% any day now

https://www.wsj.com/articles/bidens-china-tech-plan-stronger-defense-quieter-offense-11605102093

heh

My biggest concern about china is the lack of young people - the country will probably start shrinking in 2027.

Yeah but there are a great many middle-aged people, all caught in the status rush. My worry is all their real estate will start crumbling.

So are you investing in Africa then? Or the mideast? Or Europe, where many young mideasterners and africans are ending up?

This demographic thing will be a big reality: Japan already shrinking, native euros waning, China following suit, etc. Places like China, Japan, some euros, etc are all really trying to promote native breeding, but it’s not really working. OTOH the mideast and africa are breeding themselves into oblivion.

I still say that China rises if Biden gets in, and that we are still in my initial phase of turbulence.

Maserati wrote:... if Biden gets in...

I still think there's a decent chance (say 10 to 50%) e Trump takes this election. The Electoral College vote may seem like a rubber stamp exercise, but that's by tradition, not law. Each State electorate has the legal right and duty to decide on its slate of electors, and has the privilege to decide on what basis their votes will be cast.

Missed out on some BTC gains... seems to just keep going up and up.

VS-SJW-IR-TS idiot wrote:

Maserati wrote:... if Biden gets in...

I still think there's a decent chance (say 10 to 50%) e Trump takes this election. The Electoral College vote may seem like a rubber stamp exercise, but that's by tradition, not law. Each State electorate has the legal right and duty to decide on its slate of electors, and has the privilege to decide on what basis their votes will be cast.

Except the cannot change the rules AFTER the election.

Miss E wrote:Except the cannot change the rules AFTER the election.

VS-SJW-IR-TS idiot wrote:

Maserati wrote:... if Biden gets in...

I still think there's a decent chance (say 10 to 50%) e Trump takes this election. The Electoral College vote may seem like a rubber stamp exercise, but that's by tradition, not law. Each State electorate has the legal right and duty to decide on its slate of electors, and has the privilege to decide on what basis their votes will be cast.

Not really. Electors are generally chosen by the party. There's a few technicalities but anyone who thinks the "faithless elector" scenario is legitimate is overreacting.

Racket wrote:Not really. Electors are generally chosen by the party. There's a few technicalities but anyone who thinks the "faithless elector" scenario is legitimate is overreacting.

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