Racket
remember that guy thrown out of the helicopter a while ago?
Racket
remember that guy thrown out of the helicopter a while ago?
I know what you’re saying, but those two things were found in seconds. How many interviews does it take? Every interview with the prez is a controlled situation, and it always has been.
Media are there to make money. At the moment, they can do that by delivering salacious bits on politicians, including Trump, whether true or not. It’s like watching a reality TV show that goes nowhere—you realize that there is no larger end goal, that the creation of conflict and supporters of each side is the goal.
That’s easy to do when people are simple and largely irrational, as they now are in the US. The conflicts don’t have to be complex or intriguing, they can be (and are) base. The audience is easily and quickly manipulated into picking sides because their prejudices and biases are so readily apparent, and are in fact not their own, but instead, a product of the ongoing psychological “naval bombardment” that they undergo.
There’s no easy or quick way to evolve out of this situation, because a solution requires individual intelligence, which is a product of the very society that works so assiduously to suppress its development.
This is in large part whg we will be leaving, I am still here only because there is still good moneyto be made.
agip wrote:
Racket
remember that guy thrown out of the helicopter a while ago?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bre-X#Fraud_exposed
Lol my dad got burned for a few grand in the Bre-X scam.
You are correct there on the media. They are complicit in dividing this country on a variety of issues. They are part of the problem. That said, they are simply a reflection of America, a sick society.
I'll scream very loudly that your implication that maintream media and right wing media are two sides of the same coin, not caring about what is true or not. That's absurd.
Mainstream media does its best to tell the truth. They make mistakes because they are human.
Right wing media intentionaly lies day and night.
Apples to oranges.
And no, the goal of mainstream news orgs is NOT to create divisions in US society. Mainstream media is trying to write the first draft of history.
Fox is different - they are indeed trying to divide the nation.
I like you agip, but if you could only hear yourself...
As I said, when even the “educated” talk like that, things won’t change any time soon.
Sometime, you should try playing devil’s advocate when in like-minded company—and don’t bail out early, but ride it out. And do it a few times, so that you become proficient.
Maserati wrote:
I like you agip, but if you could only hear yourself...
As I said, when even the “educated” talk like that, things won’t change any time soon.
Sometime, you should try playing devil’s advocate when in like-minded company—and don’t bail out early, but ride it out. And do it a few times, so that you become proficient.
JFC in my deep blue neighborhood they think I'm a Republican because of all the advocating for the devil that I do.
Goal of mainstream media is to make money and entertain. That doesn't mean there's some good ones out there, but make no mistake, the mainstream pundit format is entertainment first and foremost.
Actual news is Reuters and AP - just streams of things that happened.
As an example of symmetry, consider that media have treated Hillary and Biden with kid gloves, seriously interviewing neither about Fusion GPS and Burisma Holdings, respectively.
When you don’t have a side, it’s all disappointing, and boring. It’s readily apparent when they go off the rails (usually immediately) and how. Interest lies not within the theater, but outside of it.
Media in this country died when Ray Suarez was railroaded out of NPR. He was the last in the extinction process of the intelligent and informed interviewer/commentator. He, along with the older guy at CSPAN, who is no longer there, and essayists like Lewis Lapham, who was at Harper’s, and the old WAPO were the end.
Racket wrote:
agip wrote:
I'll scream very loudly that your implication that maintream media and right wing media are two sides of the same coin, not caring about what is true or not. That's absurd.
Mainstream media does its best to tell the truth. They make mistakes because they are human.
Right wing media intentionaly lies day and night.
Apples to oranges.
And no, the goal of mainstream news orgs is NOT to create divisions in US society. Mainstream media is trying to write the first draft of history.
Fox is different - they are indeed trying to divide the nation.
Goal of mainstream media is to make money and entertain. That doesn't mean there's some good ones out there, but make no mistake, the mainstream pundit format is entertainment first and foremost.
Actual news is Reuters and AP - just streams of things that happened.
you just conflated 'news' and 'punditry.'
why did you do that?
News is the news
News are the front sections of the NYT and WSJ. Not entertainment.
Hannity is punditry. Entertainment.
agip wrote:
Maserati wrote:
I like you agip, but if you could only hear yourself...
As I said, when even the “educated” talk like that, things won’t change any time soon.
Sometime, you should try playing devil’s advocate when in like-minded company—and don’t bail out early, but ride it out. And do it a few times, so that you become proficient.
JFC in my deep blue neighborhood they think I'm a Republican because of all the advocating for the devil that I do.
Good, that is the price you pay, and that is the whole point.
Maserati wrote:
agip wrote:
JFC in my deep blue neighborhood they think I'm a Republican because of all the advocating for the devil that I do.
Good, that is the price you pay, and that is the whole point.
no..that's not the point...
you were saying that I can only see one corner of the world, sound ridiculous because of it and am wrong because I only know one side of the argument.
Instead I say that I often argue from the other side, am held accountable for doing so, and keep doing it.
Which means I am familiar with the full picture, contrary to your claims.
Let's check the court record on what you said :
Seems like you yourself are confusing "mainstream media" with "news." Perhaps the fact that there isn't a clear distinction between the two is a problem in the US
Agip you should take a breather. That is the opposite of what Racket did, he actually distinguished the two.
But Racket, media are about more than entertainment, they are about psychological dominance. Even as far as their entertaining goes, they work hard to condition audiences to find certain things funny—the most extreme examples of which are crossovers like Stewart, the Puffin on HBO, etc.
In this endeavor, they have succeeded mightily in the US.
Reuters and AP yes they are news, but they suffer from selection effect, so you also need other sources for the areas in which you are interested. But of course no single source is comprehensive.
agip wrote:
Maserati wrote:
Good, that is the price you pay, and that is the whole point.
no..that's not the point...
you were saying that I can only see one corner of the world, sound ridiculous because of it and am wrong because I only know one side of the argument.
Instead I say that I often argue from the other side, am held accountable for doing so, and keep doing it.
Which means I am familiar with the full picture, contrary to your claims.
That’s not what I said, at all.
It is, of course, what you heard. I don’t expect you to understand, or to even have a genuine interest in pursuing the matter, so I will stop.
probably we need to stop using terms like 'mainstream media' and 'news organizations' because that is too vague and people think that means different things.
Maserati wrote:
agip wrote:
no..that's not the point...
you were saying that I can only see one corner of the world, sound ridiculous because of it and am wrong because I only know one side of the argument.
Instead I say that I often argue from the other side, am held accountable for doing so, and keep doing it.
Which means I am familiar with the full picture, contrary to your claims.
That’s not what I said, at all.
It is, of course, what you heard. I don’t expect you to understand, or to even have a genuine interest in pursuing the matter, so I will stop.
heartfelt advice, Maser: Think about your writing style.
Your writing is so vague and obscure to be close to devoid of meaning. Try using topic sentences and saying what you think in simple declarative sentences instead of gauzy ambiguous thoughts that have to be interpreted.
You are right, but in a qualified way: my writing is almost certainly devoid of ascertainable meaning in a forum like this.
A large goal of media is now to create experience, and thereby supplant organic individual experience. If you could really see “the full picture”, you wouldn’t still be discussing internal content, you would be discussing supervening structural and social phenomena. The created synthetic content doesn’t matter.
Done for the day.
agip wrote:
but gold! +40% over 52 weeks.
(Tech stocks are up 50%)
I find it interesting that no one here is talking about silver. SLV about to go parabolic; call open interest of 5766257 and put call ratio .3.
I am in GDX and GDXJ, which miners are into silver, among other metals. They have already risen in direct response to earlier moves in silver.
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