Who the heck is this Kevin Liao guy???

fwiw wrote:

You know that's great and everything as a hobby. But he is not a journalist and should really not tweet at the elites. It's a cry for attention.

So Kevin, from here on out, stick to world of warcraft and skype. Skyped up, Psyched up.

The definition of a journalist is: a writer or editor for a news medium.

He created a website that actively and consistently provides coverage of track and field. (That's the news medium).

In a sport that is almost devoid of any type of media presence or coverage, that is enough to make him a journalist in our sport.

Face the music dude. Our sport is on life support. If you start a site and cover it (like Flotrack or Letsrun) you have just become a track and field journalist. End of story.

He's about as relevant as a high schooler with a blog about fantasy football. I have no qualms in pointing out a garbage journalist when I see one, and I don't believe that athletes sticking up for themselves gives this clown any credence, either.

TLW wrote:

The definition of a journalist is: a writer or editor for a news medium.

He created a website that actively and consistently provides coverage of track and field. (That's the news medium).

In a sport that is almost devoid of any type of media presence or coverage, that is enough to make him a journalist in our sport.

Face the music dude. Our sport is on life support. If you start a site and cover it (like Flotrack or Letsrun) you have just become a track and field journalist. End of story.

A news medium for who? Anyone can have a blog with easy to use php frameworks and wordpress. Just because every Tom Dick and Harry has a website does not mean they are journalists. Kevin Liao has a hardly active and lesser known website. Big freaking whoop. He's done nothing but dwell in his parents' basement and troll the internet.

Then I guess he's nothing to worry about, huh?

The funniest thing is...

When not writing, watching Flotrack videos and reading Letsrun.com, Kevin also finds time to run fairly competitively with PR's of 4:12 (1500) and 15:23 (5k) and more famously winner of the 2009 Marshall Clark 4 Mile road race. He is a graduate of UC San Diego

His PR is slower than Huddle and Rowbury ran at the WC, lol

5000 m 17 August

1 Meseret Defar ETH 19 Nov 83 14:50.19

2 Mercy Cherono KEN 7 May 91 14:51.22

3 Almaz Ayana ETH 21 Nov 91 14:51.33

4 Viola Kibiwot KEN 22 Dec 83 15:01.67

5 Buze Diriba ETH 9 Feb 94 15:05.38

6 Molly Huddle USA 31 Aug 84 15:05.73

7 Shannon Rowbury USA 19 Sep 84 15:06.10 SB

8 Susan Kuijken NED 8 Jul 86 15:14.70

9 Yelena Nagovitsyna RUS 7 Dec 82 15:24.83

10 Dolores Checa ESP 27 Dec 82 15:30.42

11 Tejitu Daba BRN 20 Aug 91 15:33.89

12 Kim Conley USA 14 Mar 86 15:36.58

13 Karoline Bjerkeli Grøvdal NOR 14 Jun 90 15:48.87

14 Dominika Nowakowska

fwiw wrote:

A news medium for who? Anyone can have a blog with easy to use php frameworks and wordpress. Just because every Tom Dick and Harry has a website does not mean they are journalists. Kevin Liao has a hardly active and lesser known website. Big freaking whoop. He's done nothing but dwell in his parents' basement and troll the internet.

His internet presence is strong enough that it warranted a response from multiple Olympic level athletes thus differentiating himself from the random blogger.

His website is only one of a handful (3?) websites that actively covers our sport.

He is a journalist.

those who can't do blog! wrote:

His PR is slower than Huddle and Rowbury ran at the WC, lol

So we are going to do what the elites did to him on Twitter and start comparing PRs?

Or as they put it - if we haven't run in a world champs we don't know what it takes.

By this logic, we should all stop commentating on the championship because we have not competed there.

TLW wrote:

His internet presence is strong enough that it warranted a response from multiple Olympic level athletes thus differentiating himself from the random blogger.

His website is only one of a handful (3?) websites that actively covers our sport.

He is a journalist.

His internet presence? What presence!? He has a twitter account. He has never worked print media (the real media) and if you sincerely think there are only "three" websites that cover "our sport" you are WAY WAY WAY off and ignorant.

fwiw wrote:

His internet presence? What presence!? He has a twitter account. He has never worked print media (the real media) and if you sincerely think there are only "three" websites that cover "our sport" you are WAY WAY WAY off and ignorant.

Damn you are stupid.

1. He has a website that has lots of content which is usually referred to as an internet presence in a specific niche. The niche of Track is SO small it's even to have a presence in the niche.

2. Print media = the real media? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. OH MY GOD.

3. Flotrack, Letsrun, Dyestat (more high school so I don't count it), his site. What other website SERIOUSLY cover our sport (not just on article on Bolt).

I await your response.

TLW wrote:

His internet presence is strong enough that it warranted a response from multiple Olympic level athletes thus differentiating himself from the random blogger.

Actually, no, the fact elites angrily tweeted back to him shows the level of professionalism in our sport. There's very little to none. Attacking a kid with a blog & a twitter account is no better than Jeter's tantrums at press conferences or Rupp not talking to reporters in the mixed zone after not medaling last weekend or Rowbuury blaming USATF for being stuck in the 5k when she really wanted to be in the 1500 (Did she bother to tell them she'd prefer the 15? No, she told the world at USAs that she'd run the 5 after she made the team.). Track athletes act like spoiled children who can do nothing wrong and then they get questioned in ways they don't like they continue to act like spoiled children.

That group should have ignored Liao and moved on with life. That's what a real pro would do.

TLW wrote:

His internet presence is strong enough that it warranted a response from multiple Olympic level athletes thus differentiating himself from the random blogger.

HA! You think he got responses because they knew who he was from his internet presence? No, he got a response because runners aren't used to being called out on their efforts. It has nothing to do with his credentials.

TLW wrote:

His website is only one of a handful (3?) websites that actively covers our sport.

Wow. I've never heard of the guy or his website. I frequent many running sites. You are delusional.

burnt toast wrote:

That group should have ignored Liao and moved on with life. That's what a real pro would do.

I agree with that.

CA fan wrote:

Wow. I've never heard of the guy or his website. I frequent many running sites. You are delusional.

I never heard of him either.

But having a website that strictly and EXTENSIVELY covers high level track is rare.

Name the other sites you visit that provide in depth coverage consistently on track. Do not name sites like Runners World that will just print the winners name occasionally.

I am talking about websites that actively provide real time results and coverage.

hxxp://iaaf.org #reallybigone

hxxp://world-track.org/

hxxp://runnersworld.com

hxxp://trackandfieldnews.com

hxxp://runningtimes.com/running-times

hxxp://milesplit.com #amateurhourbutstillbetterthanliao

hxxp://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/track_field/wires/?eref=sinav

hxxp://runnerspace.com

hxxp://usatf.org

hxxp://bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/

hxxp://all-athletics.com/

hxxp://alltime-athletics.org

... many more I am not thinking of.

When we get down to hobbyist bloggers, Kevin Liao isn't even in the top five or top twenty. Agencies that represent athletes (kimbia.net) have better bloggers than Kevin Liao.

Kevin has a website that lays dormant 11.5 months out of the year. Take a close look at Isaac Wood, Kevin. He is an amazing blogger and he keeps his mouth shut.

http://thewoodrunningreport.blogspot.com/p/about.html

Same with Rob Monroe...

http://watchoutxcrankings.blogspot.com/

He doesn't tweet at elites, he blogs coherently and with passion. Liao is a tool blogging for tweeter-iety. Huge difference.

He's right in what he says. They should have just gone for it.

he's got the chops to criticize huddle. he's ran 16:08, so you better recognize.

http://www.athletic.net/TrackAndField/Athlete.aspx?AID=46656

God this guy is annoying...posting here and twitter. Kevin, STOP.

@Drew_Wartenburg Difficult to establish found/context in 140 chars. U will disagree, but perhaps this does it better:

http://spikeduppsychedup.com/2013/08/19/he-said-she-said/

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https://twitter.com/RunLiao/status/369322675333632000

No ... your self promoting link doesn't do it better. Sit in the corner and stay quiet because you were a huge dumba$s yesterday and now you're being that same dumba$s again today. Learn something from your amateur mistakes. Go run. 16:08!

Drew should know better. He isn't an athlete, he is a coach. Everything people said earlier about how the athletes should rise above and ignore the criticism applies doubly to a coach.I've never been too impressed with the guy (drew, I mean) though from when I've met him. Seems to create good workouts, good program, but kind of a creep inter-personally. I'm always suspect of somebody who seems to "specialize" in female athletes, if you know what I mean...

fwiw wrote:

God this guy is annoying...posting here and twitter. Kevin, STOP.

@Drew_Wartenburg Difficult to establish found/context in 140 chars. U will disagree, but perhaps this does it better:

http://spikeduppsychedup.com/2013/08/19/he-said-she-said/

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https://twitter.com/RunLiao/status/369322675333632000

No ... your self promoting link doesn't do it better. Sit in the corner and stay quiet because you were a huge dumba$s yesterday and now you're being that same dumba$s again today. Learn something from your amateur mistakes. Go run. 16:08!