Official 2013 Women's 1500 Final Discussion Thread: Talk about Jenny Simpson and Mary Cain Here

iwiwi wrote:

Zat0pek wrote:

Look at it this way: She just ran three races in five days that AVERAGED 4:06.87, or 7.63 seconds faster than Hasay's previous HS record. And she did it in the World Championships, including the final.

How does doing it at the WC make it more impressive? Seems like it'd be easier to do there since you can just follow and not have to lead.

Balanced by the pressure of the WCs for a teenager. You can argue it either way, but I'd go with the original poster's view. Pretty darn impressive.

Duly noted wrote:

Peter Andersson wrote:

...So in essence; Cain's early move probably cost Simpson the Gold medal today.

American fanboy goggles?...Check!

The question is:

a) Was Cain's stupid move to the front her own idea?

b) Or was it Alberto's idea, so that she would get some "leading a global final experience"?

c) Or was it Nike's idea, so that they would get some nice promotional movie seconds/photos of her leading this global final (since she wasn't gonna medal anyway)?

Either Way wrote:

Balanced by the pressure of the WCs for a teenager. You can argue it either way, but I'd go with the original poster's view. Pretty darn impressive.

What pressure? She's been running in high level meets for years.

mc ran a 65 second first lap - that was perfect pacing. she had the rail so she took it. I don't see how her race would have been better if she had run 66 seconds and been in lane 3 again. She was never boxed in - she never wanted to get out but couldn't.

Mc's race was fine - she ran within a second of her semi time, figthing back after losing contact with the pack. That was a good thing.

Simpson led a pace which she decided to stay with, not realizing it was not going to keep the eventual winner from using. Simpson has been in enough races to know that as a pace setter usually has fatal flaws in this type of race. He she forced sub 4 pace it could have proved more interesting. Great race, Cain will gain more from this event than any other she has ever been in before. It will do her well in 2016.

When strategey is discussed in these threads post-race, I've seen some pretty far fetched views and theories expressed, but to hold Mary Cain responsible for Jenny Simpson's not winning the gold medal takes the cake.

Congrats to both Americans, and the gold medalist, on fine performances. Mary Cain's future is so exciting. Someone made reference here to her running in 2016, which seems pretty far off. Then I paused to realize Cain will be all of 20 at the Rio Games....

Peter Andersson wrote:

Aregawi's been training in Ethiopia and catching/having stomach problems on and off for two months. Pain and throwing up as late as before the first round now in Moscow.

Two months ago she said that she would be prepared to take it from the front running a WL of 3:55 if needed. Obviously relieved the slow way the race played out today.

Had the Kenyans helped Simpson taking it out hard(er) she probably wouldn't have been able to follow them sub 4:00 today. Instead Cain moved up there too signaling "you K-girls sit back, us Americans are gonna heat this up this today" without being able to follow through.

So in essence; Cain's early move probably cost Simpson the Gold medal today.

Bullcrap, like the Kenyans would have taken it out hard...if they really wanted to set a sub-4 pace then having Mary Cain in front for all of 100m wouldn't have stopped them.

agip wrote:

Mc's race was fine - she ran within a second of her semi time, figthing back after losing contact with the pack. That was a good thing.

I agree. It was fine. Sometimes you can win, sometimes you can't. She couldn't win this race.

She didn't run scared. Put the meat on the table but just didn't have it. Nothing to be ashamed of.

Too bad Rowbury wasn't on the 1500 team. She could have done some damage in a moderately-paced race like that.

Peter Andersson wrote:

Aregawi's been training in Ethiopia and catching/having stomach problems on and off for two months. Pain and throwing up as late as before the first round now in Moscow.

Two months ago she said that she would be prepared to take it from the front running a WL of 3:55 if needed. Obviously relieved the slow way the race played out today.

Had the Kenyans helped Simpson taking it out hard(er) she probably wouldn't have been able to follow them sub 4:00 today. Instead Cain moved up there too signaling "you K-girls sit back, us Americans are gonna heat this up this today" without being able to follow through.

So in essence; Cain's early move probably cost Simpson the Gold medal today.

Aside from your idiotic comment about Cain costing Simpson the Gold...

The Aregawi situation annoys me. Bought and paid for so the swedes can get a gold.

Rush Maddow wrote:

[quote]montyy wrote:

[quote]American Pride Speaking wrote:

Presuming you're "sick of it" because it's your country's broadcasters who are being criticized, my advice to you and yours is that you learn to correctly pronounce words. In this example, the name "Hannah" ends with a schwa sound...not an R sound. It really is that simple.

No, what is simple is that it's the English language. Just because you, as an American pronounce your American-English differently, doesn't mean that English people, who pronounce their ENGLISH in the way they do, are wrong.

Hannah England is English. British commentators pronounce her name how everyone does in this country. Just like your American announcers will pronounce your American names as they know how to. I'm starting to think that Americans are king of whining.

Names are pronounced differently in every single country around the globe. Stop criticising. You cannot say how a name is pronounced in another country. It is arrogant.

What a load of uninformed crap about Sweden and Aregawi. Aregawi started dating her husband, a Swedish citizen, 9 years ago. She moved to Sweden shortly afterwards. After being injured by being forced to train indoors during the Swedish winters she had been training in Ethopia during the winters. She has been regularly attending Swedish language classes and has said for several years that her goal is to win a medal for sweden, the country she views as her home. When she tried to compete for Sweden in London, the Ethiopian government responded that they would revoke her Ethiopian citizenship and refuse her any future entry visas to visit her family. Sweden pumps money into community level sport, not into elite athletes. Aregawi will be receiving less assistance by living in Sweden than she would receive living in Ethiopia. If Sweden was in the habit of buying medalists, they wouldn't be perservering with second rate long jumpers and high jumpers.

montyy wrote:

No, what is simple is that it's the English language. Just because you, as an American pronounce your American-English differently, doesn't mean that English people, who pronounce their ENGLISH in the way they do, are wrong.

Hannah England is English. British commentators pronounce her name how everyone does in this country. Just like your American announcers will pronounce your American names as they know how to. I'm starting to think that Americans are king of whining.

Names are pronounced differently in every single country around the globe. Stop criticising. You cannot say how a name is pronounced in another country. It is arrogant.

In Canada, we pronounce it "Hannya Inklin"

Les wrote:

Too bad Rowbury wasn't on the 1500 team. She could have done some damage in a moderately-paced race like that.

Doubtful. Rowbury is always running in the middle of the pack and trying to kick at the end. What would it have mattered if she had placed 4th or lower?? Her style DOES result in a "chance" for a medal occasionally as we saw in 2009 WC. But it usually comes up short. The fact is, her coach did a lousy job having her ready for the US championships and that coupled with inattention by her coach and her handlers cost her the opportunity for this year's WC 1500. Anyway, I don't believe having Rowbury on the team would have made the difference between another medal in the event or not.