The Curious Case of Treniere Moser

or this one

http://images.radiopaedia.org/images/1423260/e90356a7f0e23ab6e8b39e9affb847.jpg

MRI Dx please wrote:

What is shown in this image?

http://ajs.sagepub.com/content/35/2/197/F4/graphic-7.large.jpg

I see the baby raccoon peaking out. So cute!

I'm not sure if this is a real injury situation or something else, but I have a few questions.

In this day and age, why would an elite outfit like the NOP even bother to release a microscopic picture of the injury? It tells us nothing really.

Secondly I find her comments on being in Moscow interesting. She claims shes there partly to get treatment from the team docs/therapists. Really, you need to be in Moscow to treat a basic injury like that?

Lastly, wouldn't it be to everyones benefit, esp NOP, if they just released a full list of all the supplements their athletes are taking? Why hide it?

Your questions are irrelevant. Your opinion/gossip/thoughtless speculation as well. Good night.

POD!!!

Rocky R wrote:

MRI Dx please wrote:

What is shown in this image?

http://ajs.sagepub.com/content/35/2/197/F4/graphic-7.large.jpg

I see the baby raccoon peaking out. So cute!

If you scroll this image

you will see how hard it would be to come up with an actionable Dx from that one MRI snapshot

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Tommy2Nuttz wrote:

Secondly I find her comments on being in Moscow interesting. She claims shes there partly to get treatment from the team docs/therapists. Really, you need to be in Moscow to treat a basic injury like that?

Not any other week of the year, but during this one all the best of the best support staff in the NOP for some strange reason just happens to be in Moscow. Go figure...

This is not up to your usual level of assessment; the holes here are not the sort you usually have in assessments. Start, for instance, with Mo -- you go an assume that the other performances are not consistent with the 3:28 -- because they do not have the same time quality -- what the heck does that have to do with it? He won those latter races, 'lost' the 'out-of-distance' 1500 and only lost his 'in-distance' race when he had just been sick. There is absolutely nothing suspicious there unless you just want to be suspicious and that is simply conspiracy theory (in the more-or-less vacuous sense).

For me this situation is comparable to cycling and Lance. The average cycling enthusiast could follow cycling and have no reason to believe that Lance was doping. The truth in fact was that Lance was doping, and for what ever reason people who were in the professional circuit of cycling knew. Same with Moser and NOP. Gena Galls tweet earlier pretty much directly calls out Moser. She might as well have have put #moser. There's was no actual positive drug test for Lance and there is likely not going to be one for Moser. At the end of the day you can figure things out for yourself.

Oh and regaurdless of everything else....shame on Moser for throwing Sarah Brown under the bus for Moscow. Maybe the slightest heads up to Brown would have been nice.

George O'Loughlin wrote:

If Treniere and Paul are reading these threads, remember it's just a bunch of noise.

Treniere, it sucks to get injured on an upswing, but you had a great season and you proved you have a lot of great races left in your legs.

Enjoy some rest and get healthy.

you really believe they are reading lets run?

i hate it when people post on here congratulating runners as if they are going to directly receive it.

WOW BEKELE NICE RUN YOU ARE REALLY SOMETHING! HOW IN THE WORLD DID YOU RUN 6 MILES BACK TO BACK. HEY SO WHAT DO YOU EAT BEFORE A RACE? PS I LOVE YOU XOXO -JONOTHAN

i think she is clean as a whistle.

i have an endorsement you can trust.

So sad to hear of Tre's injury!!! I can't believe it!!! I can't believe she run so fast and den get injuryied!!! But I also can't believe I run so fast in Monaco - great track fast track!!!

Going to put on a EPic shOw with Bolt for da fans!!! Lets hope I don't have to piss in a cup or give blood!!!

Shabba!!!

EPObot

Montesquieu and Harry;

You do understand there are people on this board that are crazy, right?

The constant accusations against NOP are kind of ridiculous compared to how uneven the results of the athletes often are. I also think you make a great point when you list out all the athletes on NOP and then ask "do you really think they are all doping?" They're just a lot of cynical idiots here. The problem is sometimes the elites lurk here because the sport is so small it doesn't offer a better site somewhere. I think it is not possible for some of the less intelligent and weak minded elites to not "get some on them" by stepping in the dog poo here. --It's a problem. Any of the elite athletes who have any "inside knowledge," know very well how and where to report it."

People knew lance was doping and there was nothing they could do about for a very long time. Same situation here.

Ehhh.... wrote:

Gena Galls tweet earlier pretty much directly calls out Moser. She might as well have have put #moser. There's was no actual positive drug test for Lance and there is likely not going to be one for Moser. At the end of the day you can figure things out for yourself.

Gena Gall is on the drug companies' payroll.

Actually physio's can prescribe MRI's here in Australia. It just won't be bulk billed under Medicare.

Boom.

missing something here?

RE: The Curious Case of Treniere Moser 8/9/2013 4:58PM - in reply to cynical fan

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I am assuming that the picture we are looking at is of the back of two hamstrings as the patient is lying on her stomach? I am also assuming that the white slash down the middle of the hamstrings on the right, is the injury. In her interview, she claims she injured her left hamstring. If these are two hamstrings we are looking at, then the one on the right is obviously her RIGHT hamstring?

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isn't anyone else curious about this picture that shows an injured right hamstring, yet she claims to have hurt her left one?

table wrote:

I agree with most that this just doesn't sit right.

Had the events and minor details played out differently, there would be no alarm here. But because of the time line of events that the NOP has given when compared to tweets, race results, and other media, it just doesn't make sense.

I am sure no one wants to see anything happen to Moser, the NOP, and American distance running....well, maybe some people want to see the NOP go down.

While Alberto has certainly had qualms with the 'messagebaord rats' over the years, while there likewise has been a lot of gossip about NOP over the years on these boards and while we've been ardent anti-dopers, to me, this isn't suspicious in the last - certainly way less so than most pull outs.

To those that think she's pulling out because you think she's dirty. Ask yourself the following questions.

1) Do you realize she's been running awful the last few meets rights? An injury would seemingly explain that.

One can easily pull out with a hammy without falling over. Minor pain will greatly impact performance.

2) Do you think she's on some drug that Galen Rupp isn't on and she's pulling out so she doesn't get tested? That can be your only thought because you do realize Rupp is getting tested most likely tomorrow.

That makes no sense as why would she be on some new drug unless Alberto is using her as a guinea pig. Only a fool gets caught by in competition testing. Unless they develop new tests, a cheat should never be busted in competition.

Plus just because you pull out, that doesn't mean you aren't subject to out of competition testing. If you were trying to avoid that, why would you go to Moscow where there are scores of testers? In my mind, you wouldn't.

To me, it's not that suspicious like many are claiming. I'm glad that we live in a day and age where people are naturally suspicious but it's imperative that people use logic. Just as some gold medal winning performances make me think, "That person is on drugs" but some do not. The same is true of pre-race pullouts. Regina's pullout in 2000 for example just didn't pass the smell test as a new EPO test had come out.

So I don't see this as overly suspicious. Maybe they are guilty of being very rude if she didn't tell USATF that she was suspect and Brown should be getting her VISA organized, but we don't know if that's the case or not. If I"m mistaken, please correct me.

As another "Certified Physio" who used to work with that particular group from its infancy, I can offer this perspective*:

I will ALWAYS request the radiologist report based upon the MRI in question. If we are given a copy of the disc as well (always ask for it), it can then be used to study the radiologist report and as well to analyze the MRI slices on the disc.

This process helps to educate me on the Radiologists diagnostics as well as to assist me in the proper administration of care for the patient.

There are only a handful of medical professionals who can prescribe an MRI, but that does not mean that it precludes Allied Medical Staff from viewing and critiquing it for purposes of education and treatment.

While it appears to be necessary for threads to turn smug and derogatory on this board as a way for nerds to flex their brainpower, when we get to the grit of the issue it is generally not that difficult to just think it through.

Just my .02

*I did not see the single image slice showing the tear. Where is it located?