Lift Bro wrote:
They probably could, but would it show up in Urine on old tests like it does in Blood?
DNA/Blood/Urine unbeatable combination.
wtf is a 'dna' test? You know using steroids doesn't change your DNA in any measurable way as we currently understand, right?
dattheresprintgeezerretard wrote:
lmfao at the people that think you can detect roids 'years' after use. Post some studies indicating this at all. It is pure fantasy. There are few substances we can detect a few weeks after someone has ingested them orally, let alone months or years after. Post some science bros or get a life.
and LOL @ people thinking Weir or KBC are clean. Do you guys know who they are coached by and who their teammates are?
Absolutely right. This stuff about detecting roids years after use comes from the fact that they know there are SARMS out there that they can't detect at all and the only thing they can do is try to scare athletes into not using them. Good luck with that.
I like Weir
Sure it's beatable, by collusion, subterfuge, fraud, bribery, and really, any other form of social and/or personal malfeasance.
dattheresprintgeezerretard wrote:
lmfao at the people that think you can detect roids 'years' after use. Post some studies indicating this at all. It is pure fantasy. There are few substances we can detect a few weeks after someone has ingested them orally, let alone months or years after. Post some science bros or get a life.
and LOL @ people thinking Weir or KBC are clean. Do you guys know who they are coached by and who their teammates are?
by taking blood testosterone levels over the years they can determine a baseline. years later getting a blood sample will show a change in that baseline proving ped use. this is how they can test for undetectable drugs years later. also, they save these samples for retesting years down the road when the testing equipment has caught up with the drugs of that time. defense is always a step behind offense. this is because offense can be unpredictable.
holyfkingwow wrote:
Lift Bro wrote:They probably could, but would it show up in Urine on old tests like it does in Blood?
DNA/Blood/Urine unbeatable combination.
wtf is a 'dna' test? You know using steroids doesn't change your DNA in any measurable way as we currently understand, right?
DNA in case of gene manipulation.
possible wrote:
DNA in case of gene manipulation.
you are a moron. show any evidence of gene doping being:
1. possible currently
2. testable (what method would they use to test)
I don't think you even understand high school general biology.
sarms
the short sprints have all become about them.
cant do anything about off season .simple as that
dna test ,hogwash
they know that with previous major champs that
athletes cycled them right up to 'em.
as continous use leads to reduse in there effect
so have to judge cycle to get max benefit .
to get that added androgenicity and hardness to
muscles and many other enhancements like in endurance
ala 800m ...
and get these mega suped up athletes
now only half supped up from the gains of previous
cycles and not getting benefit of effects of ped
that get whilst taking .
at least tests can stop this
with hopefully a new androgen test ,that will
test for presense of any exogenous androgen in
blood within past few weeks .
also i think need to start testing 2 100m t43
paralympic
sprinters as seem to be very much on the same
formula as other sprinters
How about the fact that EPO has a detection time of about 2 weeks or less if injected through IV and RBC count peaks 4 weeks after use?
coach d wrote:
[utes for an event 6 months in the future? They probably still sell out Zurich (for a rematch) and ISATF in Berlin, but what about Stockholm and Brussels?
Stockholm and Brussels would sell out, no doubt.
I went to Penn State running camp a few weeks ago and one of the guest speakers was olympic shot putter Ryan Whiting. Someone in our group asked him a question about international doping and he responded by saying that "many countries, especially Jamaica, are all on a certain substance which only stays in the bloodstream for about 15 days. However the effects of the substance last for about 28 days." He never mentioned the substance in particular but since he is a current Olympian looking to medal in moscow, I'm sure he knows what he's talking about.
There are athletes in Japan and France ? I don't think there are black
people in Japan,how can there be athletes there.I've never seen an
athletic Jspanese.As for France,they have a few black people,so they
may have a few athletes.
Lol this is a funny f'ed up post above me. What about Suetsugu who medalled in the 2003 200m WCs 10 years ago, or was right there with others later down my post. Good ol' balco crackdown.
But I'm glad it sounds like there is some movement forward on this.. remember when a Russian was nailed for EPO but got off on a loophole? (No blood test taken concurrently) Radcliffe then hung out a massive "No to EPO" sign in view of the TV cameras and the busted Russian naturally won gold.. world indoors this might have been, around 2000/1.
Personally, I don't see why we should have a statute of limitations of 8 years. Apply the rules as at the times (so this can't be changed in retrospect, which is maybe harsh on the pre-90s but.. depends on when PED's were actually outlawed in the rulebook.. 70s.. 80s.. and catch up with drug tests when possible later (of which we only have a few for the 80s, most probably defunct now). I don't mind loads of athletes being thrown out as long as we end up with clean winners. If we have to go back to semi-final places then so be it. That just shows how prevalent it was back then if that's the case. Problem is, the natural defence of those times will be that dirty athletes got away with it for so long that everyone else did it simply to catch up/level the playing field - I'm thinking Flo-Jo then Ottey here.
But now it really seems like there is a push to have clean athletics, bar wonder substances like this American athlete says people are on (we can't deny that it might exist).
Blackcard - Is there any reason why Jamaican sprinting was in a 'lull' before Powell, Bolt etc? I'm thinking we had VCB in the 100, 200, from juniors up, and Christopher Williams? in the 200 doing 20.0-20.3 and he was level with GB sprinters, Collins etc. There was also Donovan Powell but he doesn't have decent FAT races, only a hand timed WR from what I can see (how random is that?!) and I seem to remember a shady story about a drugs/stimulant ban (could be totally wrong there).
VCB I think looked like she was slowing down at London 2012 but that could have been also lack of training from injury. But I wouldn't be surprised if her stimulant was just something for injury recovery, same for Powell, Gay too but his seems to be more of a recover and muscle boost at the same time. I'm amazed Gay has come back so many times from bad injury to run even better so far. If only US 08 trials snafu hadn't have happened, I wonder how things would have turned out differently. And we need better lane draws too, I'm thinking Berlin 09 than Beijing 08 (Powell out of the way, not next to Bolt there). /endrant
guys--- EVERY SINGLE ATHLETE got blood tests.....not just jamaicans...
wr potential wrote:
Blackcard - Is there any reason why Jamaican sprinting was in a 'lull' before Powell, Bolt etc? I'm thinking we had VCB in the 100, 200, from juniors up, and Christopher Williams? in the 200 doing 20.0-20.3 and he was level with GB sprinters, Collins etc. There was also Donovan Powell but he doesn't have decent FAT races, only a hand timed WR from what I can see (how random is that?!) and I seem to remember a shady story about a drugs/stimulant ban (could be totally wrong there).
SARMS became available in 2003. That was about the time of the first WR from Powell. You can make a comparison to a couple of other periods:
The "Golden Age Of Miling"--Coe, Ovett, Cram, Aouita, basically ran from 1979-1985. There is a comment on Wikipedia from a researcher that wanted to to a study of the effectiveness of steroids on field athletes from the start of this period, but they couldn't find any clean ones to use as controls. The amazing progress stopped 3 years before Ben Johnson tested positive.
The Epo-non-test period 1993-2000. Sometimes it seemed that the 5000 or 10000 WR was going down every week by Komen, Geb, etc. This stopped as soon as there was an EPO test in time for the Sydney Olympics. There was some WR progression (El Guerrouj/Bekele) after that period, but it was much harder to come by.
I've been told that there is a test for S4 SARM now, but the half-life for S4 (and presumably the metabolites) is apparently 4 hours, so a test would have to be taken very soon after ingestion or be VERY sensitive. There is apparently no test for S1. But the real problem for testing here is that there are soooo many SARMS. Companies like Glaxo are developing large numbers of these as they have many positive medical advantages.
Unless there is detection tracing help from the pharmaceutical companies (which is how a test for CERA was developed), there may never be a solution for testing for SARMS because new ones keep springing up. I know a high school teacher who had his AP Chemistry class develop a designer steroid--that's how easy it is.
Great PR move ! Tail wagging the dog , start the spin early...
I assume samples will be be tested in Russia , guess the results.