Has anyone, in any race 800+, ever run a lap other than lap 1 in under 50.0?

Ricardo Stitchomoso wrote:

World Cup 1500m - Athens 2006. Alex Kipchirchir final 400m in 49.7 after the opening 800m was 2min18s. Heshko second, Willis third.

whoa is there a video of this?

DKK wrote:

Daniel Kipkirchir Komen closed a tactical 1500 at the end of the season in an international challenge meet in 48 mid in 2005 I think. Splits started 72-67.

I think you are talking about the same race I am. Alex Kipchirchir, Athens World Cup 2006. Ran final 400m of the 1500m in 49.7

Why would you love to see Symmonds run a 55/49 800? Are you in love with stupidity?

I'm surprised this hasn't been said yet, but Jim Ryun.

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=5070489

I tried searching it on youtube but its not there.

Here is the official result though:

http://dt9guucc6nuua.cloudfront.net/competitiondocuments/pdf/3490/AT-1500-M-F--1--.RS1.pdf?v=630051473

The leader at 1200 was Willis in 3.15.92 (so not even Kipchirchir) and he won in 3.52.60 so I'm guessing he busted somewhere around 36.5 for the last 300m.

I watched the race live in the stadium. Not an all-time classic but fun to see guys flat to the boards pretty much all of the last lap.

In Dusseldorf, West Germany 1967 Jim Ryun ran a 1500m race with a last lap of 50.5 with a last 300 of 36.54. It was on a cinder track!!! that was torn up from a 10k that was held right before the 1500. His winning time was 3:38.2.

The fastest last lap in Worlds is from a drug cheat.

51.4 for Rashid Ramzi in his 1:44.24 BRN Helsinki 2005. I got that stat from Ken Nakamura.

-Rojo

I think Fermin Cacho came close to 50 flat on the last 400 of the 1500 final in Barcelona...

Sir Bastion Newbold wrote:

track chick wrote:

Pretty sure Steve Cram has.

José Luis González vs. Steve Cram, Praga 27-6-1987 European Cup 1500m

Gonzalez ran 49.67 on the last lap to just pip Cram - they only really get going down the back straight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj8EJxCTQso

Hello. McFly!

rrfjsdklfjsdk wrote:

-Didn't Fermin Cacho close in sub 49.XX in 1992.

No. It was 50.5

Sir Bastion Newbold wrote:

track chick wrote:

Pretty sure Steve Cram has.

José Luis González vs. Steve Cram, Praga 27-6-1987 European Cup 1500m

Gonzalez ran 49.67 on the last lap to just pip Cram - they only really get going down the back straight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj8EJxCTQso

Where did you get 49.67 from?

Look at the video at 3:00mins in. Both Cram's and Gonzales's torsos are above the finish line with the clock at 2:55.4. Gonzales's winning time was 3:45.49, so his last lap was between 50.0 and 50.1, with Cram on 50.1.

Cram runs slightly further, wide on the penultimate lap, so he was intrinsically faster on the last lap and it was possibly worth just under 50 flat, but Gonzales certainly didn't run 49.67.

rojo wrote:

The fastest last lap in Worlds is from a drug cheat.

51.4 for Rashid Ramzi in his 1:44.24 BRN Helsinki 2005. I got that stat from Ken Nakamura.

-Rojo

Rudisha ran a faster last lap in the African Champs in 2010, 51.2 in a 1:42.8.

Ovett ran 50.5 2nd lap in the 80 Olympic final of 1:45.4. I think that's the fastest 2nd lap in an Olympic 800 final.

Wouldn't this mean Kipchirchir's final 800 was under 1:47, in addition to running a sub-50 final lap?

Cacho ran 50.5 in the Barca Final Olympic Games 1500m (2:07 @ 800m). I ran 52.2 for 8th.

Abdi Bile, 1987, in Helsinki, Finland - ran his middle 400 in 49.8 - from the 200m mark to the 600m mark. A video of the race was available to see, but that was years ago. He always took off slow in any race, and was in last going into the 200m mark. Went from last to first over the next 400m.

js

Jim Spivey, wrote:

Cacho ran 50.5 in the Barca Final Olympic Games 1500m (2:07 @ 800m). I ran 52.2 for 8th.

Abdi Bile, 1987, in Helsinki, Finland - ran his middle 400 in 49.8 - from the 200m mark to the 600m mark. A video of the race was available to see, but that was years ago. He always took off slow in any race, and was in last going into the 200m mark. Went from last to first over the next 400m.

js

Which actual 400m section do you mean? I looked at his 100 splits and can't see any 400 stretch that was that fast.

Do you mean from 600 out to 200 out, i.e 900m to 1300m?

His 900m time was 2:18.7 and his 1300m time was 3:11.0. That makes 52.3.

Peer Mediator wrote:

Sir Bastion Newbold wrote:

José Luis González vs. Steve Cram, Praga 27-6-1987 European Cup 1500m

Gonzalez ran 49.67 on the last lap to just pip Cram - they only really get going down the back straight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj8EJxCTQso

Where did you get 49.67 from?

Look at the video at 3:00mins in. Both Cram's and Gonzales's torsos are above the finish line with the clock at 2:55.4. Gonzales's winning time was 3:45.49, so his last lap was between 50.0 and 50.1, with Cram on 50.1.

Cram runs slightly further, wide on the penultimate lap, so he was intrinsically faster on the last lap and it was possibly worth just under 50 flat, but Gonzales certainly didn't run 49.67.

I'd agree the video does not provide a firm basis for concluding that JLG was sub-50 but the 49.67 comes from JLG's own lips, so I'd presume he got it from somewhere.

"González performed impressively and beat Britain’s legendary Steve Cram, the then reigning world champion over 1500 metres thanks to one of the fastest last laps ever seen in this classic event.

'I ran the last 400 metres in 49.67 seconds which, at that time was the fastest final lap ever in a major 1500 metres race. I knew that I could run really fast (from the bell), because I had done really well in training during the previous days in my hometown Toledo, I had been running 300 metres repetitions in 36.5 seconds ...'"

yes, in pretty much every indoor 800 ever... derp derp

the kicker wins the race wrote:

I would love to know (and if not I would love to see someone do it)

Has not happened yet.

Hold on for a sec- going back to the video of cram and JLG which (without kipchirchir Komen's 1100m split) seems the only serious candidate at this point, they are at the start of the black screen in the background at 2.55.50 (hard to see the finish line, and at 2.55.40 they are before). Then, they are in the middle of the black screen at 3.45.40.

Maybe its the delay in FAT at the finish (.24 slower than hand time right?), but it looks like point to point based on the clock it could be 49.85-49.90? Maybe I am missing something?