This race won't happen. And if it does, they'll tie.
Mo would dust Bolt in a 600. Heck, he'd dust him in a 500 as well.
This race won't happen. And if it does, they'll tie.
Mo would dust Bolt in a 600. Heck, he'd dust him in a 500 as well.
Having read the article linked at the top of this thread, I don't think Bolt ever says he's doing this. He just says generally he's up for anything.
My bet is it won't happen. If it happens, there are three possibilities I can see, none of which are attractive for Bolt. 1) Bolt takes it relatively easy and loses big, which Bolt does not want; 2) Bolt takes it easy and so does Mo, all the fans think the event is stupid; 3) Bolt runs to win and, whether he wins of loses, creates a high risk of injury. That risk isn't worth it.
I think Bolt's people will look at those possibilities, decide this is a bad idea, and tell the world that it's not happening and Bolt never really said it was happening anyway.
Bolt's 400 PR is 45.28, and that kind of effort absolutely kills him. He's not splitting sub 45 in a 600.
Bolt can run low 44's/high 43's. College kids run in the 44's every year, Bolt is the greatest sprinter of all time. The man ran a 19.19 200....
Bad Armstong wrote:
wolfishly grinning wrote:At the end of the day, it's just not going to be close. End of story. Mo would beat bolt in any distance over 400 if they raced right now, and any distance period given eight weeks to train for it.
Surely you must be joking, Mr. L?
Bolt is a generational talent who could threaten 3:30i in the 1500 if he trained.
Yeah, brah! It isn't like Bolt has just one specific mix of muscle fibers. He can turn all those type II fibers into type 1 fibers and run world record distance times, too. The 1500 is like a sprint. You just close your eyes and go for the gold. You have to want it. Bolt wants it--you can see it in his eyes.
I don't think it'll happen but if it does it's interesting to speculate how it would unfold. I'd pick Mo to win at 600 but Bolt would probably lead almost the whole way, with Mo passing him at maybe 575 yards. It could be a very exciting race.
is there drug testing?
or peds allowed for this?
could be the key if mo allowed to dope like the 100m guys
yeah brah wrote:
Bad Armstong wrote:Surely you must be joking, Mr. L?
Bolt is a generational talent who could threaten 3:30i in the 1500 if he trained.
Yeah, brah! It isn't like Bolt has just one specific mix of muscle fibers. He can turn all those type II fibers into type 1 fibers and run world record distance times, too. The 1500 is like a sprint. You just close your eyes and go for the gold. You have to want it. Bolt wants it--you can see it in his eyes.
Not to mention that athletic talent is transferable from one sport to another. It's well known that Sileshi Sihine and Tirunesh Dibaba once pulled off a quadruple Salchow while ice skating after an indoor track meet.
Decent manipulation of the press. Something other than PEDs to talk about.
Won't ever happen.
Yeah, brah! It isn't like Bolt has just one specific mix of muscle fibers. He can turn all those type II fibers into type 1 fibers and run world record distance times, too. The 1500 is like a sprint. You just close your eyes and go for the gold. You have to want it. Bolt wants it--you can see it in his eyes.[/quote]
Doubling a hyphen makes you look uneducated—use an em dash.
Symmonds would beat both I think
So, you think that Bolt is going to race a 600m race against Mo, WITHOUT SPECIFIC AEROBIC TRAINING?
Give Bolt 4 weeks of aerobic training. Based 600m training. And he will outkick Mo.
Do you remember Bolt Running 9.72 and then jogging the next 100 for a 21.high 200m???
Look at this video...look when he crossed the line and still jogged the entire curve!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2foAgoNqTUM
-Remember this 43.58 leg (I know, I know...it was more a 43.high leg) shutting down the last 10 meters. This was 3/4 weeks after a car accident.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK2lPYfkG-8
-Remember also that Bolt ran the 800m in 1:57!!! at 16 years old!
So for me...he will put a 1:16high...he can run 50 for the first lap...and then holding off the leadership in 26"high
Can Mo run 50 for the first lap? I don't think so...because it could be suicidal seeing that he probably is a 49.xx runner for the 400m in a standing start. He did not run that 50.94 for a standing start. He was running before the last lap mark!!!
Mo Farah cannot run a 48"!!!!!! HE IS NOT A 48.XX ATLETE.
But if Mo attempt a 51" first lap pace...Bolt is going to sit in 51.3/51.4. What's a 51.xx 400m for a 44.xx 400m runner? nothing. So Bolt is going to have some fuel for the last portion of the race.
Bolt being such an outstanding sprinter, did the world ever see his aerobic capabilities truly tested? He might as well happen to have a set of lungs that can drag his heavy azz around the 3rd corner.
His 400m never been set in prime shape, I do suspect that with more commitment and courage he might be WR material.
600m, we just don't know. And after he's lost this one, we may still not know. Many seconds are lost by doing this sort of thing half-azzed.
I doubt Bolt will be going into this with the same will to win as Mo. And the discomfort of the distance will hurt him more than the speed will hurt Mo. Mo does fast repeats all the time. Bolt says he's done a 600m in training once. There is a difference.
homeslizzice wrote:
atheist with MDPHD and Cholera wrote:Discus.
One of the best events in track and field. I think you mean, "Discuss"
Despite being a distance runner, I have always held the discus in high regard, but certainly not the best event in T&F. Watching Mac Wilkins win gold in Montreal and embracing Wolfgang Schmidt was a moment I'll never forget.
wolfishly grinning wrote:
At the end of the day, it's just not going to be close. End of story. Mo would beat bolt in any distance over 400 if they raced right now, and any distance period given eight weeks to train for it.
410 meters?? 420??? 450?? Bolt wins ALL of these hands down and by as much as 30 meters. It takes 500 meters for there to be a real race. At that point, somewhere around 500 meters and beyond, the race begins to fall to Farah because of his superior stamina, conditioning, size and weight.
We do not actually have an Agreement in Principle yet but it seems both are open to explore the possibility.
An agreement in principle may be part of the final agreement itself, it may be a way-station toward reaching an agreement, it may be used as a tactical approach to the negotiation, or it may include combinations of all of the above.
Final agreements frequently contain elements that are in effect agreements in principle. It seems we have agreement that both parties will look into racing the other at a yet to be decided date location and distance in this current example.
Frequently agreements in principle are a stepping stone to a final agreement. For a start work on establishing what would be an appropriate principle for the agreement, agree to that first, and then work out the details.
Next step is to develop a proposed agreement based on a principle that we proclaim to be "fair and equitable for both athletes." We might suggest that the distance be no less than yyy and no more than xxx or best two out of three over three distances. These suggestions might be accepted per se and therefore form the basis for ongoing negotiations. Once we reach that point what charities, how funds will be raised or divided etc is next. Then if the race will be stand alone, be part of a larger event (perhaps with other athletes racing similar move up/move down in distance races, mixed relays or non standard distances, events) or a singular happening added to an already established meet or event.
IMO at this point we have a definite maybe no more than that.
RIO 2016 IOC and the companies holding the broadcast rights to the OGs might take a look at getting involved possibly by donating the cost of staging and broadcasting the event in the Olympic venue.
Hey continuing the OG theme think The Thorpedo and the Bong Boy with dueling half gainers off the three meter board or the ageless pair of Merlene Ottey versus Dara Torres in an Archery shoot-out. If we are going to play the Maybe Game lets play it big!
This is all a ploy to dupe Bolt into a surprise drug test. They just want to know if he's dirty.
500 would have been an equitable distance. 600 is all Farah unless they have some pre-arranged pace early to entertain the fans. There are two types of sprinters. 400 guys who can drop down and 100 guys who can move up. Especially with Bolt's absolute disdain for even so much as a warm up he will have trouble breaking 78 seconds for 600. Farak breaks 75 if he goes all out.
wolfishly grinning wrote:
Mo would beat bolt in any distance over 400 if they raced right now, and any distance period given eight weeks to train for it.
Oh really? So you're saying Mo could beat Bolt in a 100 with 8 weeks of training?
Yeah, sure.
Clearly not but Mo probably has near elite 100 speed. Running 328 requires such. Bolt likely has nowhere near elite 600 ability, at least now.