Agip wrote:
Re nick-there's an argument for strength is speed vs speed kills.
Agip wrote:
Re nick-there's an argument for strength is speed vs speed kills.
Bolt's kit is fugly. Get your shit together Puma.
klopp wrote:
Bolt's kit is fugly. Get your shit together Puma.
the hell? that kit is sick. it's the short short spandex that are terrible.
terrible start but 9.85 for bolt
bolt looks like a giant out there against that field. with that very poor start, still 9.85. at world's he'll be much better.
please translate to english? wrote:
Agip wrote:Re nick-there's an argument for strength is speed vs speed kills.
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there has been a debate lately on lrc about the two sayings: 'strength is speed' vs 'speed kills'. sort of silly to make them mutually exclusive, but so what?
'speed kills' meaning working very very hard on raw speed, esp in the last 300.
Point is, nick is not very fast in an open 400, so he has been working on strength/endurance - ran 3:34 for 1500 recently.
and today it worked for him.
More like a great start for Rodgers, and Bolt had to work some for it. Rodgers was the #4 finisher at USATF, remember.
Horrible start for Bolt, but he came through. His last 20meters is strong!
Lemaitre ran the 20m0 and minutes later, the 100m. Not great times but still...
Cain ran it as she was instructed. Stay at the back and out of trouble. Kick at the end. That was The Plan. There has never been a Plan A, Plan B, etc.
Bad plan? No. Keep it simple for now.
The larger question is whether Salazar is qualified to coach middle distance and whether he is qualified to coach girls and women. There is a track team much closer to home. Everyone in the northeast knows about it and Frank Gagliano.
One-Eyed John wrote:
Cain ran it as she was instructed. Stay at the back and out of trouble. Kick at the end. That was The Plan. There has never been a Plan A, Plan B, etc.
Bad plan? No. Keep it simple for now.
The larger question is whether Salazar is qualified to coach middle distance and whether he is qualified to coach girls and women. There is a track team much closer to home. Everyone in the northeast knows about it and Frank Gagliano.
Yes, that's right. I don't remember seeing his application for middle distance coaching certification cross my desk.
LMAO
One-Eyed John wrote:
Cain ran it as she was instructed. Stay at the back and out of trouble. Kick at the end. That was The Plan. There has never been a Plan A, Plan B, etc.
Bad plan? No. Keep it simple for now.
The larger question is whether Salazar is qualified to coach middle distance and whether he is qualified to coach girls and women. There is a track team much closer to home. Everyone in the northeast knows about it and Frank Gagliano.
Salazar's qualifications for middle distance:
Rupp: 3:50i AmR
Farah: 3:28 AR
Cain: 4:04 AJR
Looks like he's qualified.
abcdefghijklm wrote:
Salazar's qualifications for middle distance:
Rupp: 3:50i AmR
Farah: 3:28 AR
Cain: 4:04 AJR
Looks like he's qualified.
To be absolutely fair, I don't think AlSal should get too much credit for Cain's 4:04 AJR. He had only been coaching her for like a month or 2.
xenomorph wrote:
abcdefghijklm wrote:Salazar's qualifications for middle distance:
Rupp: 3:50i AmR
Farah: 3:28 AR
Cain: 4:04 AJR
Looks like he's qualified.
To be absolutely fair, I don't think AlSal should get too much credit for Cain's 4:04 AJR. He had only been coaching her for like a month or 2.
Fair enough, but he seems to be great at getting a huge improvement out of his "new-hires". So part of it is from him, perhaps he gives them confidence to shoot for absurd times they didn't believe in before him.
Ritz popped that AR in the 5000m, then 60:00 in half
Cain massive PR in the 1500m and 800m
Hasay massive PRs in 10000m and now 3000m
Salazar was equally qualified to bring Cain her to her 4:17.84 as a freshman and 4:11 as a sophomore. Her 2:06 as a freshman and 2:03 as a sophomore. These were against much weaker competition. In three of these four races she had no one in front of her as a pacer for any part of the race. The one "pacer" Cain had in h.s. competition was in the 4x8 Nationals as a freshman, when she took the baton in second, twenty meters behind, and ran a sub 2:04. As a freshman, if it needs repeating.
Do the arithmetic -- unless it's beyond you.
joho wrote:
It's going to be a good WC race. With Rudisha out, the gold is wide open.
Yes, anyone named Aman has a chance to win.
One-Eyed John wrote:
Salazar was equally qualified to bring Cain her to her 4:17.84 as a freshman and 4:11 as a sophomore. Her 2:06 as a freshman and 2:03 as a sophomore. These were against much weaker competition. In three of these four races she had no one in front of her as a pacer for any part of the race. The one "pacer" Cain had in h.s. competition was in the 4x8 Nationals as a freshman, when she took the baton in second, twenty meters behind, and ran a sub 2:04. As a freshman, if it needs repeating.
Do the arithmetic -- unless it's beyond you.
Whatever dude, keep hating on Salazar all you like.
Ritz popped a 20 second PR in the 5k shortly after joining Salazar.
Hasay just PRed in the 10k running in a non-race, and just dumped 11 seconds of her 3k PR. Her previous PR in the 3k wasn't a solo run.
I'm simply saying that somehow he manages to get startling improvements out of people as soon as they show up. It's not the physical side coaching obviously since they just got there. My contention is that he knows how to make his athletes believe in themselves.
And no matter how you slice it, if you can get two 10k guys to run 3:45-3:46 and 3:50 in the mile, and a high school girl to run 4:04 in the 1500m (even off her own talent), that's good coaching. There are several 4:04 level 1500m women with plenty of talent and experience whose coaches have not been able to get that time out of them this year.
No, your method of slicing is just wrong.
Cain - was already on track to run those times with or without Salazar. There was no sudden improvement after joining Salazar. He simply picked her up right before indoor track started. I'm willing to bet she would have run those times without him.
Hasay - had been running for the team and had not had a chance to go for a PR. If you watched her races this Spring, you'd know that she was already near this shape but had been holding back and negative splitting her races. Never mind the custom track meet specifically designed for her to set a new PR.
Ritz - maybe you have something here. But maybe not. Was this the period where Ritz had finally avoided injury for a while? He might have been in this shape when he was still with Hudson.
I'm not a Salazar hater at all. I'm a supporter. But let's give him support where it's actually due. Rupp and some of Farah (I think Farah was already a sub13 guy when Salazar picked him up?). It's too soon to tell for most of the rest of the group.
They improved and ran the times with Salazar.
/supposition
Bumping for day two
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