no way v man wrote:
Maybe something crazy like a sub 13 first half to see if he would respond and try and grind him out.
Never going to happen.
no way v man wrote:
Maybe something crazy like a sub 13 first half to see if he would respond and try and grind him out.
Never going to happen.
The Way to beat Farah is to have only him and ethios with 1000m to go. Have gebwat kick hard and have dejen and alimerew fall off pace a bit. Farah falls for the bait. Then gebwat falls off pace with 400 to go. Farah is fried. Dejen kicks hard and tracks him down last 100m. Use gebwat as bait. Farah Has to cover his move...he is too good.
Pretty sure a very fast second half can beat him. If they go out in 13:35 and comeback in 12:55 or faster in the second half that can take alot of pop out of his kick. Mo ran a great 1500m but it doesnt indicate his 10k fitness. It just tells us that he has working on his speed. Also, this will be good for the 5000m runners because it will increase their chances. Mo will be tired and possibly be beaten.
NOP Follower wrote:
rrri wrote:If Farah is in such great shape, then why hasn't he run a fast time in over a year?
You can't put all the blame on Farah. Many people are reluctant to go with the pacemakers, the same people who request the fast pace in the first place. Sit and kick races are just the norm nowadays when it comes to 5000m and 10,000m races.
A whole bunch of guys just ran with the pacemakers today. Several 12:4x times were run last year. No one has been COMPLETELY reluctant to go with the pacemakers except for Farah.
The correct answer is there isn't a tactic that can beat Farah. He's by far the best in the world.
"Never going to happen."
Sure it can happen. We just saw the fastest 1500m races yesterday, why wouldn't it happen in the 10k.
either strategy could work.
Boxing him in near the end or basically trying to run the fastest time from the gun.
The trouble with time trilling it is that people may feel they have a chance at second place but don't if they run suicidal. Also it's always easier to be lazy.
anything is possible wrote:
"Never going to happen."
Sure it can happen. We just saw the fastest 1500m races yesterday, why wouldn't it happen in the 10k.
You think there will be a sub 13 first 5000 in the WC 10000? We haven't had that many sub-13 5000 races this year as it is, so why would a bunch of 10K guys be able to do that in the first half of the race? (especially since we don't have a top form Bekele, Geb, or Sihine in the race)
anything is possible wrote:
Pretty sure a very fast second half can beat him. If they go out in 13:35 and comeback in 12:55 or faster in the second half that can take alot of pop out of his kick.
The are DEFINITELY not going to run 26:30 10k with a 12:55 last 5k. That would be one of the greatest 10k's ever run, without pacers. Bekele went sub-13 in the 2nd 5k off a much slower first half.
anything is possible wrote:
Pretty sure a very fast second half can beat him. If they go out in 13:35 and comeback in 12:55 or faster in the second half that can take alot of pop out of his kick. Mo ran a great 1500m but it doesn't indicate his 10k fitness. It just tells us that he has working on his speed. Also, this will be good for the 5000m runners because it will increase their chances. Mo will be tired and possibly be beaten.
I am not so sure a very fast second half will do it. I just see him covering that move and being able to kick off that better than most. I just can't see any type of sit and accelerate race going against him. I also don't know if anyone else is capable of a second half sub 13 this year.
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no way v man wrote:Maybe something crazy like a sub 13 first half to see if he would respond and try and grind him out.
Never going to happen.
I am not saying that will happen. I am also not sating Mo is going to lose. I am saying it will take some kind of crazy situation for it to occur. Also no one would have predicted the Ethiopians would employ a tactic like that when they ran sub 13 in the second half. Ethiopia did it then to try and gt 3 medals. The Kenyans and Ethiopians always have team goals like we want to sweep the 10000. Galen and Mo are just going to sit and
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Farah can be beaten with team tactics, albeit dirty.
One would be to have couple of runners drop off pace and go down a lap. Time the finishing kick so that the kickers get around the lapped runners on the straight away at 1120 meters to go. Have the lapped runners then drift out and cover lanes 1 and 2 so Farah has to go into lane 3 on a curve if he wants to cover the breakaway or get boxed in by the pelaton as a previous poster said. The top EA kickers should be able to hold him off for 900 meters.
Another would be to have a group of runners build a wall hiding his view of the leaders at about 1 lap of easy pace, then have the time trialers take off while out of his sight. By the time he sees and and makes a move to cover they should have gapped him enough so that he burns out his kick catching up.
I actually thought of this when I saw Mary Cain in the USATF 1500 final. At the 2:35 mark she is jogging in last place. If one of the (shorter, unseen, contender quality) leaders had taken off she may not have realized it until a big gap had formed which she may not be able to close in time because she would have to get around the entire field first.
Ethi-nope-ia wrote:
By having the '02-'04 Ethiopians run team tactics. Specifically having Bekele and Sihine trade laps and negative split. Bekele closes in 53. Sorry but Farah could not hang with that. (I realize this is historical.)
So....you are saying get a time machine and bring prime form Bekele, Sihine (and why not Geb) back to present time and race Farah? I agree, it would work. Except the only one with a working time machine is Salazar.
yogibear wrote:
Farah can be beaten with team tactics, albeit dirty. One would be to have couple of runners drop off pace and go down a lap. Time the finishing kick so that the kickers get around the lapped runners on the straight away at 1120 meters to go. Have the lapped runners then drift out and cover lanes 1 and 2 so Farah has to go into lane 3 on a curve if he wants to cover the breakaway or get boxed in by the pelaton as a previous poster said. The top EA kickers should be able to hold him off for 900 meters.
There are rules against that. Lapped runners aren't allowed to interfere with those lapping them, they are even supposed to leave lane 1 when needed as to let those coming up on them pass on the inside, that's why you sometimes see officials shouting and waving to them to get out of the way when they're to tired to notice the oncomers themselves, not that it always helps.
Also, the way you set it up the whole national team would be disqualified (not to mention shamed for a generation in a way that would affect all runners from that country).
Also, even if it was legal it would still be so obvious that Mo and the entire rest of the World would see it coming, I mean, two Ethiopians or Kenyans about to be lapped in a final at Worlds, really? ;-P
A African Team like the Kenyans or Ethiopians must work together to keep the pace in the 5000 below 12:45 or in the 10000 below 26:45. Do this and hope Farah has a bad day. That is it.
STOP SUGGESTING A FAST PACE FROM THE BEGINNING. IT NEVER WORKS. WATCH 2009 WC 10K. FARAH IS DOMINANT.
How about a time machine to bring back Farah of 2012, so then he is guaranteed to lose.
Craig Lutz wrote:
STOP SUGGESTING A FAST PACE FROM THE BEGINNING. IT NEVER WORKS. WATCH 2009 WC 10K. FARAH IS DOMINANT.
Farah has proven that he can win races but except for the 3:28, he does not have great times in the 5000/10000. A fast pace is your only chance.