Makes you wonder, Who is the person that Gay trusted?

Running is a dirty sport...always has been, always will be....let people take what they want and even up the playing field! the only cheating going on is the small percentage of runners not doing PED's that are being ripped off of medals, places on US national teams and money spots at road races.

Gay talking about Drummond was a bit strange. I wrote in Lausanne 1.5 weeks ago: "Gay also revealed the news that he is now working exclusively with long-time coach Lance Brauman. While Brauman was in prison in 2007, Gay also started using the coaching services of former sprinter Jon Drummond. 2007 was the year Gay won the 100, 200 and the 4×100 at Worlds. Drummond had been involved as a coach ever since, but Gay said “right now I’m only working with one coach. That’s Lance Brauman in Florida.” Gay was then asked directly if he was working with Drummond and he said, “not at this moment”. Gay’s answer and phrasing left the impression there is more to this story. As for only working with Brauman, Gay said, “I’m only working with him right now, because I’ve been taking things a lot slower. The process has been a little different this year. It just has to do with trying to stay healthy.”"

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2013/07/tyson-gay-talks-about-usain-bolt-being-healthy-and-jon-drummonds-absence-as-he-begins-his-2013-european-campaign-on-july-4th/

However I have doubts he ran Lausanne already being positive.

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Incredible! There are degrees of culpability here that stagger the imagination. Working with Drummond in the past was a calculated risk that narrowly avoided condemnation. When you put your World Class physical talent in the hands of others, you are subject to their ethical framework which often sees the athlete as a means to justify their financial ends .This kind of talent needs to be managed and when you consider The Sponsor(s), The Agent, the Sprint Coach, The Physio and The Dietitian, the propensity for something to go wrong exponentially increases as you add more individuals between the track and the athlete. The false sense of security that this supposedly dedicated entourage of people create, is an illusion that unfortunately some top athletes succumb to. It is not for him to question to decisions of his "knowledgeable" trainers, he is to trust their judgement implicitly. He's simply the designated driver, the jockey, the man in the chain wearing the spikes! When unscrupulous parasites i.e. dealers & suppliers attempt to enter this chain of command wanting to get their money slice of Diamond League or other competition Pie, not all parties can or will pay attention to what's going on. They either turn a blind eye or are too naive or busy to care. The problem here is this situation is not one of some kind of character flaw in the heart of the athlete but rather having too many cooks in the kitchen and when one of them doesn't get what they feel they're entitled to, they spit in the broth to spoil it for all!

Bang Ding Ow wrote:

His chemist, to take him to, but not past, the legal limit.

Exactly

'Tyson Gay has tested positive. The unique thing about this story is Gay isn’t doing the normal PED thing of “Deny, Deny, Deny.” Rather he’s issued a statement where it’s implied he may have been unknowingly doped by someone he works with as Gay stated, “I don’t have a sabotage story. I don’t have any lies. I don’t have anything to say to make this seem like it was a mistake or it was on USADA’s hands, someone playing games….I basically put my trust in someone and I was let down.”'

How is this different to deny, deny, deny. It's not unique either he is going down the line which has been used many times before

I think that there are a number of possibilities to explain his statement. The two most likely in my mind:

1) He is going to use the "someone else gave it to me and I didn't know what it was" tactic, but at least he seems to be ready to admit that he willingly took whatever was given to him.

2) He is going to admit that he knew what he was doing and that he trusted someone to make sure that he did not get caught.

All will be made clear when the "B" sample test is finished processing, the drug he was on is made known, and he makes a formal statement.

I think he is getting this out early yet being vague because either (1) he is trying to take the interest down for when name of the drug itself or (2) he is not sure of everything that was found and he is waiting to see what is confirmed in the B.

My guess is this is 1 and he is doing crisis management - look responsible while taking the initial hit then deal with the issues under less intensity.

These two are not naive - to believe them you would have to say they spent a lifetime training and then they did not suspect an issue when they experience drapid improvement during a late career comeback.

lol lol lol lol wrote:

Well, Patrick Arnold, on FB suggests:

"Tyson gay popped for something in a mystery cream given to him by a chiropractor. Some guy named Clayton Gibson from atlanta?"

Patrick Arnold's got it right.

'Makes you wonder, Who is the person that Gay said he trusted?'

Corrected

Chris Xuereb?

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/sport/Asafa--Sherone-detained-trainer-identified-as-former-American-football-player

"ROME (AP) — Italian police have raided the hotel where Jamaican sprinters Asafa Powell and Sherone Simpson are staying after each tested positive for banned stimulants.

Udine police captain Antonio Pisapia tells The Associated Press that rooms of the athletes and physical trainer Christopher Xuereb of Canada were searched and drugs were confiscated."

i kinda like running wrote:

Athletes frequently say someone else doped them without their knowledge. What I find odd is that no trainer/coach/doctor has ever come forward and said, "Yes, I have doped my athletes without their knowledge. Certain athletes have had their careers ruined because I spiked the punch." If all this secret doping is going on, you would think SOMEONE would be wracked with enough guilt to come forward and clear the name of an athlete who was wrongfully banned. But no one ever has, to my knowledge. I find that strange. It's not surprising that most of them would keep their mouth shut, but I would think there was be at least one who fesses up. I don't think I could live with the guilt of knowing that I was responsible for ruining the career of an innocent athlete.

The coach of Nadezhda Ostapchuk is an example of someone you look for who - came forward and said, "Yes, I have doped my athlete without her knowledge."

'Gay has admitted it, '

How the feck is blaming someone else admitting anything

Coach , just thinking out loud here , its seems that entire "trusted" support team has to be called out and reprimanded. Athlete , coach , strength trainer , physio's and agent. They all in their own way know something is up when an athlete starts to change. If we do not make them all accountable in some way or another then the process just continues on to the next athlete.

They all have the ability to call the athlete out and say something to them. I think the blind eye stays closed as the pay check get's deposited for each of them.

The old adage of hit them in the pocketbook to grind it to halt could work here.Taking away the ability to earn income from sport would make people stand up and be accountable.

pretzel logic wrote:

So let me get this straight. Gay is taking responsibility, not making excuses, doing the honorable thing... except that it was some kind of accident and someone betrayed him and he can't talk about it. OK, got it.

Tyson, did they inject the steroids directly into your brain?

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Conn Fused wrote:

pretzel logic wrote:

So let me get this straight. Gay is taking responsibility, not making excuses, doing the honorable thing... except that it was some kind of accident and someone betrayed him and he can't talk about it. OK, got it.

Tyson, did they inject the steroids directly into your brain?

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what gay means by taking the blame and then going on to say that he put his trust in someone and was let down is this. someone provided him with a supplement and said this will help your performance and it is not on the banned substance list. this is what he means by putting his trust in someone and was let down. he takes responsibility by saying it is my fault i didn't look further into what i was putting into my body and for that reason i will take whatever punishment i am getting.

this is a completely different excuse than many other athletes that get caught and say i was given a supplement and didn't know about it and its not my responsibility to take care of myself. tyson gay is taking this with some class (although putting trust in only himself would be more classy)

The chiro in Atlanta is interesting possibility. Guy I was suspecting is the guy he hired a year ago as his full-time 24/7 physio who used to work alongside infamous Chris Whetstine in Eugene. Not naming him on purpose as by all accounts he's been a straight up guy but just by nature of dealing of various new treatment creams and balms, etc you can mistake something illegal as ok until as in this case as appears to have happened its not.

Meant to add that I have 100% proof that Whetstine was clean and just labeled the bad guy by Gatlin, his handlers or Nike. Nike did eventually pay Whetstine a hefty settlement in 2009 for the beat down Starks threw on him at US Nationals in infamous Indy fight.

But still the stigma of these types such as Asafa's are they are the #1 suspects other than those dirty agents which Tyson has the opposite of.

when reading the article about gay's chiropractor, look at the statement about getting blood levels. the only purpose of that is to asses current testosterone levels and how to adjust accordingly without going over. as a pharmacist i can assure you that you don't get any other levels from blood that will help in "balancing the overall body, where there are deficiencies". this is complete bullshit. truthfully the only deficiencies you will find would be of things that are corrected with simple supplements like iron or vitamin d. with regards to athletic success, blood samples are only useful to determine oxygen carrying capacity, thyroid function, and testosterone levels. all of which are useful in determining how much banned substance you need to not go over. if this guy is trying to say he is helping tyson with his health through homeopathic products i can assure you it was a predetermined alibi for the use of banned substances. homeopathic medicine as a whole is a scam, but for the athlete it is a great excuse to take something "natural" that is filled with a million different ingredients that can't be accounted for so when a failed test comes back you can simply say "i didn't know". based off his statement, we know tyson was aware that things he was taking may have been banned, but did he take it because this guy said it was ok and reassured him he would not get caught?

i would like to know what the substance was that caused the positive test. this can give us insight into why he was taking it along with who "betrayed" him and how serious the offense is. as with the asafa case, a stimulant only provides an effect while they are taking it and the offense is somewhat minor whereas, the gatlin case shows us that hormonal supplementation has a long lasting benefit even years after the person stopped taking it.

Some including myself would say your profession is a scam.Pharmacists

are nothing more than drug peddlers.So,your opinion here is worthless.

Who is the person Gay trusted?

Ultimately, himself. He trusted in his own judgment.

And he let himself down.