jjjjjjjjj wrote:
Rupp has higher top end speed, according to Salazar, but does not have quite the kick that Mo has at the end of a race.
Thanks for stating what I already made obvious.
jjjjjjjjj wrote:
Rupp has higher top end speed, according to Salazar, but does not have quite the kick that Mo has at the end of a race.
Thanks for stating what I already made obvious.
afromanmiler wrote:
Lot of smart things being said on Page 3. Confidence race? I say yes. Pit-stop on the way to Moscow? Makes sense too.
Why is he not running in the same race as Mo? He needs much more speed work than Mo; thus the difference between silver and gold.
What time is he looking for? Dude crushed the mile during the indoor season, running 3:51 and making it look easy with a workout on the treadmill afterwards. See I wonder if AlSal is gonna have Rupp race this mile at the beginning, in the middle, or at the end of an entirely larger speed session. At the beginning makes sense, because he'll have all the time in the world to workout after the race. But at the end of an earlier workout could prepare him for Moscow better... maybe the 3rd or 4th of mile repeats?
If he's fresh... I say he's got a shot at sub 3:50. He's the Olympic silver medalist in the 10k, he knows how to run. His indoor time puts him really close to that 3:49 mark, something he definitely wants (as well as the AR at some point.. maybe next season at PRE during the off year)!!
If he's in the middle or at the end of a workout count on him being around 3:55 or 3:58.
And of course, he's getting a fat, non-Nike paycheck here, by the meet organizers. That's what happens when you win medals.
You are nuts if you think Rupp is going to do intervals before a high profile race like this. Running a workout after the race is very logical and common, but it would be idiotic to run anything hard prior to the race.
After running 3:50.9 indoors, Rupp has to be going for sub 3:50 here. My guess would be 3:48 is the goal.
3:49.89
7:33.62
Not many have talked about the quality of the field here being a factor. According to that link, the only two they have listed as "confirmed" currently are Manzano and Rupp. That's hardly a field that would threaten breaking 3:50. I'll hold off on my prediction until I see who else is running, but I don't think Rupp will beat his indoor time.
what will Ritz be running?
Down goes the American Record.
Captain Super Duper Obvious wrote:
1) Rupp has a higher top end sprint speed than Mo.
2) The point of speed work is not primarily to improve top end sprint speed.
3) Glad I could clear that up for you.
I see, Rupp doesn't have as much stamina as Mo, and is therefore doing more speed work to not improve his top end speed.
Thanks for clearing that up.
3:52.2
It has got to be faster than 3:55, since he just closed a 5000m in 3:55 (ok, for the last 1600 but close enough).
If the field is good, perhaps a PR, if not, nothing worse than 3:53.
Rupp seems to be underperforming so far outdoors. Hopefully due to heavy training. If he rips off a good mile here (sub 3:50), watch out. If not, maybe he is setting up for his first "bad" season. I think even if it is "bad" it will at least match any year prior to last year.
J.R. wrote:
Captain Super Duper Obvious wrote:1) Rupp has a higher top end sprint speed than Mo.
2) The point of speed work is not primarily to improve top end sprint speed.
3) Glad I could clear that up for you.
I see, Rupp doesn't have as much stamina as Mo, and is therefore doing more speed work to not improve his top end speed.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Sigh.
My suspicion is that Rupp is trying to physically practice kicking off of a strong wind up pace, as well as doing one last fast race, such that 5k/10k in Moscow don't feel as quick. You can probably simulate this (kicking of longer windup) in workouts, but it just won't be the same as doing it in competition.
He has kicked well in the past off of slow races with a brief or non-existant wind-up...but he has lost badly in his 5000s that featured a quick last mile, no coming anywhere near his 52s/53s he has dropped from other situations.
As to the bolded statement, why do you believe Rupp has less stamina than Mo? We haven't seen either in a particularly fast race, so I'm not sure where you would be looking to make this claim.
3:55.6 for 5th
3:44.1 for first. Rupp: "I'm done with this 10000 sh*t, I've always been a miler at heart."
I keep imagining the title of this thread is "Galen Rupp is the M.L. Carr of track".
rupp-certified saladbar wrote:
All a fast time will do is FURTHER alert his competition to the fact that they need to make it a strength race and not leave it to the last laps.
Monkeys typing wrote:
So a year ago Rupp had NO CHANCE at medaling in the Olympics and this year everyone is crafting their race tactics to STOP RUPP!!! Makes sense.
1. I never said he had no chance.
2. Of course any runner is aware when a slower runner kicks them down.
DistanceCoach1 wrote:
After running 3:50.9 indoors, Rupp has to be going for sub 3:50 here. My guess would be 3:48 is the goal.
You're assuming a large difference between indoors and outdoors at 60 second lap pace, which actually doesn't exist on a good banked track (which BU is).
As I said before, 3:49 if everything goes well. 3:48-high absolute ceiling.
I doubt the race will be faster than 3:54, so my guess us that Leo, rupp, and one more guy all end up at 3:54
Rupp was in great shape at indoors when he ran 3:51 and even the treadmill workout that he did after was really impressive. That crowd was also electric. He hasn't looked that sharp lately but I think he was slightly over trained in the beginning of outdoor and I think that's why Alberto backed him off of racing until his workouts got back to par.
Alberto likely decided:
He wanted Galen and Mo in different races with different goals. Galen is more of a mental/confidence thing. Wants him to learn to be more aggressive when needed. After the Olympics, I guarantee you Galen dreams of out kicking Mo for gold and world wcs. Alberto has to always be careful of his athlete dynamics - keep the competitive juices healthy but not overwhelming. Mo just needed an overall good speed endurance tuneup as his race tactics, fitness, and confidence are all on point. In other words, keep doing what you're doing.
I have no doubt that Galen could take down the AR but not at this race... as the goal will be to surpass his indoor time or to break 3:50. 3:50:31 is my prediction
3:49.77
If Rupp is really trying to run this race for fast time, then it will depend on pacing. If Rupp runs anything higher than 3:51 it would not be good for him.
Or, as it has already been stated, this could just be part of a workout to tweak that closing speed he will need for the final mile of the 10k.
To much talk about this with little or no knowledge.
People he is running a mile to get a hard fast effort in prep for the world champs, its that simple. His training has been specific for the 10k , his leg speed is specific to kick off of fatigue and from a mile out plus. Im sure he has been training over speed ( 150's all out ) as to be able to have the one more gear down the straight.
He will run a fast competitive mile no matter who shows up or not. It will not be a sit and kick race for him.