Where Mick Byrne is wrong:
--USATF competition manual says that 18 is the field size for the 5k. If there are more than 18, technically they are supposed to run sections.
--USATF has a clear policy. If you want to get in, run the A standard. If you run the B standard, you may not get in.
--This is a guy who for YEARS did not recruit a single American at Iona. Now he claims this is bad for American distance running? Give me a break.
God speaks wrote:
Where Mick Byrne is wrong:
--USATF competition manual says that 18 is the field size for the 5k. If there are more than 18, technically they are supposed to run sections.
--USATF has a clear policy. If you want to get in, run the A standard. If you run the B standard, you may not get in.
--This is a guy who for YEARS did not recruit a single American at Iona. Now he claims this is bad for American distance running? Give me a break.
USATF should NOT have said they will move athletes in if there are scratches. This is where the process needs to change.
Having 11 guys in the 5k is shameful!
God speaks wrote:
--This is a guy who for YEARS did not recruit a single American at Iona. Now he claims this is bad for American distance running? Give me a break.
How is that bad for American distance running?
Mick Byrne is right.
Did you watch that race today...it was a joke. By having a full field someone would have taken it out and made it legit from 2 miles out. Also you want as many guys to actually run as possible even if it's for the experience. How often does someone run 13:30 and NOT get to run in the Nationals? I'm ok with guys not making it in if no one would have scratched but that wasn't the case. Also, just tell someone if you're in or out...not "wait around for scratches".
God speaks wrote:
Where Mick Byrne is wrong:
--USATF competition manual says that 18 is the field size for the 5k. If there are more than 18, technically they are supposed to run sections.
--USATF has a clear policy. If you want to get in, run the A standard. If you run the B standard, you may not get in.
--This is a guy who for YEARS did not recruit a single American at Iona. Now he claims this is bad for American distance running? Give me a break.
Mick tried to recruit plenty of Top US HS Kids, but few came. You can't be competive in the NCAA with 10:00 US HS walk ons.
He has done a great job of landing top US distance kids since heading to Wisco. The US needs more guys like Mick Byrne who is sticking up for US athletes, and less guys like the weasels at USATF!
He recruited me to Iona in the 90s, but I chose to go elsewhere. I really enjoyed my trip and liked Mick a lot, it just wasn't the right school for me.
Yeah I think that's the point he was trying to make though. Not to many people have a reason to spend 4 years in New Rochelle.
Madison, and UW itself are just way more appealing.
God speaks wrote:
--USATF has a clear policy. If you want to get in, run the A standard. If you run the B standard, you may not get in.
REAL clear there, Mickey...
crazy raisin wrote:
God speaks wrote:--USATF has a clear policy. If you want to get in, run the A standard. If you run the B standard, you may not get in.
REAL clear there, Mickey...
May is an either or word that DOES NOT MAKE THINGS CLEAR...especially since he was told that if athletes scratched his guy was the next guy in.
Mick Byrne is 100% right.
I want Weldon to give this issue a black page.
USATF's entry system into USAs has been an arbitrary embarrassment for as long as I can remember.
They consistently don't give a **** about the non super elite athletes.
They started a 5000 final with 9 people in it? HOw is that good for anyone? It's not. It's horrible for fans, for coaches, for athletes, for universities, everyone involved in the sport. Ok I guess it's good for Lagat/Rupp as there is a 1% less chance they'll fall down??
Last year, they took 30 for 3 rounds of the 1500? There were 15 guys screwed out of ever being able to say they competed in the US Olympic Trials.
Here is the solution. You determine the field size you want and you run that many every single time. It's very simple other sports have it - it's called alternates.
In tennis, guys who get in from the qualifying tournament after someone withdraws are called 'lucky losers."
The athletes need USATF in WChamp/Olympic years. Next year, they don't need USATF. I think we should consider a protest/boycott until something changes.
-Rojo
Mick Byrne had plenty of Americans at Iona. He knew correctly that he wans't going to get high quality Americans to go there so he filled out of most of his team with foreigners.
God speaks wrote:
Where Mick Byrne is wrong:
--USATF competition manual says that 18 is the field size for the 5k. If there are more than 18, technically they are supposed to run sections.
--USATF has a clear policy. If you want to get in, run the A standard. If you run the B standard, you may not get in.
--This is a guy who for YEARS did not recruit a single American at Iona. Now he claims this is bad for American distance running? Give me a break.
Where you are wrong... For years Mick recruited nearly all top Americans at Iona, but couldn't sign them because they had better options. He then took good international kids and consistently had one of the best programs in the country.
I appreciate you presenting an alternative perspective on this issue.