Two-time Olympic 200 champ Veronica Campbell-Brown has reportedly tested positive for a diuretic

spdyhou wrote:

Did any of them win Medals? Nope. This is why you must use PEDS these guys are absolutely right. I train with elite athletes/sprinters(top 10 in the world)and none of them are clean. August through December every year is when they dope and then they cycle off and try and maintain those gains with booster supplements like fast test or creatine supplements. I train clean but could only muster a 10.4 this season and guess what? While I sit here and play on the internet at home everyone else is on the diamond league circuit making money

Willis won a medal.

TLW wrote:

Educate me on why so many world class runners have fallen prey to thyroid issues and have to fly across the country to go see one particular doctor.

By so many you mean seven?

spdyhou wrote:

Did any of them win Medals? Nope. This is why you must use PEDS these guys are absolutely right. I train with elite athletes/sprinters(top 10 in the world)and none of them are clean. August through December every year is when they dope and then they cycle off and try and maintain those gains with booster supplements like fast test or creatine supplements. I train clean but could only muster a 10.4 this season and guess what? While I sit here and play on the internet at home everyone else is on the diamond league circuit making money

So is that top 10 by time or by ranking?

Jeff Wigand wrote:

By so many you mean seven?

More importantly, these athletes had to travel across the country to see a doctor that would treat them in the manner they desired.

You see the issue with that?

Seven is it? Do we know there aren't more? I don't remember the specific number btw and I don't feel like Googling it. I just remember that the guy also treated Carl Lewis..

TLW wrote:

More importantly, these athletes had to travel across the country to see a doctor that would treat them in the manner they desired.

You see the issue with that?

Seven is it? Do we know there aren't more? I don't remember the specific number btw and I don't feel like Googling it. I just remember that the guy also treated Carl Lewis..

You were the one pontificating on "so many" world class runners having thyroid issues. You must know how many. I want to know how many constitute "so many."

TLW wrote:

You've established that I'm an idiot and uneducated.

Educate me on TUEs and whether you think that is cheating.

Educate me on why so many world class runners have fallen prey to thyroid issues and have to fly across the country to go see one particular doctor.

It is not my job to educate your negative tin foil hat self.

Go to the IAAF website and read about the TUE program.

Do you know why the TUE program has been a meme here lately? Because Rojo cooked it up. Rojo trolled the board, and trolls the board. He's admitted it. No one was spamming the board with it 2 years ago, and yet it was there. Rojo cooked it up because of Jos Herman's quotes...when a few years back Rojo was trying to catch Jos Herman's in a scandal for doping his athletes because over seas journalists were reporting that Hermans was about to be busted.

It's just crazy sht that you fall for on the internet rather than doing your own homework.

As for thyroid, go read Steve Magness's blog. I read it 3 times AND chatted with Steve, so I am secure in my belief that it is not what misinformed people are claiming it is.

One-Sided Coin wrote:

The "issues" are well understood. TUEs are gray-zone performance enhancers. WADA hasn't caught up with the latest tech.

This is wrong. As others have reported, IAAF/WADA thoroughly investigated the thyroid "issue" long ago and made their determination. It is a not "gray zone" tech.

Ask yourself this, Rupp's thyroid condition has been public knowledge for 6+ years. Why is it only being harped on here in the past 11 months?

Because Rojo trolled the board, because of Jos Herman's poor sport quotes. Hermans athletes had just lost to Alberto's. Hermans was once let go by Nike. Think Hermans is objective?

Nope. Rojo jumped on that, and trolled the board, completely forgetting that years before he was hot on the case to bust Hermans when over seas journalist were reporting that Hermans was about to be caught in massive drug scandal.

People like you just come on this board and make accusations without doing any research. It's total bullsht and lazy. There are at least 4 massive threads on thyroid on this board, going back 8-10 years with posts and info from numerous sufferers and some anonymous doctors explaining to you that unless you actually need thyroid replacement therapy, it won't help you. And that it could hurt you. And that if it does help you, it only gets you back to normal for your body. And no there is no way to know if running triggers early thyroid issues etc. So there is a lot of tin hat assumptions being made out there by people with a witch burning bias seeing things with a confirmation bias that comes to faulty conclusions.

TrackCoach wrote:

Yes she does look clean, what do you expect a woman who lifts weights and is a world class sprinter to look like?

coach d wrote:

Helping you out a bit:

http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20130514/lead/images/Womens200MetersD20130504RM.jpghttps://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSD3kU9teCLRJb6pwe6L1Jc22CseNJyQ-qfKOsxWmf3EScjwAxe

And then here's VCB:

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-08/21/xinsrc_052080521194621891449.jpg

You be the judge.

Allyson herself has made the comment about competing against drugged athletes, saying that sometimes you have to settle for second, made all the more obvious now.

Ehh what are you trying to say with these photoes coach d? All I see are three pictures of three sprinters?

A Duck wrote:

IAAF athletes are tested more than all the other pro sports, so these athletes know.

Source? I think theres a few cross country skiiers in Norway who will disagree with you. Norwegians test all the time. Rich and have the resources.

A quote from her website,

http://www.veronicacampbellbrown.com/index.php

Veronica Campbell Brown is a positive individual.

She told you all along.

I don't believe the "sacrificial lamb" nonsense. It does not help Bolt & Blake's credibility if athletes around him test positive. I think IAAF, UCI and national sports federations have an interest in reducing the number of positive tests and protecting their super stars, but I don't think they do it on an individual basis - they do it by simply running a testing system that's not very good overall. In such a system, it's only natural that the most sophisticated dopers are less likely to get caught than the less sophisticated ones.

Now, whos wearing the tin foil hot this time? Rojo is a major troll on letsrun and have also admittet it to YOU? Give me a break.

A Duck wrote:

Ask yourself this, Rupp's thyroid condition has been public knowledge for 6+ years. Why is it only being harped on here in the past 11 months?

Because Rojo trolled the board, because of Jos Herman's poor sport quotes. Hermans athletes had just lost to Alberto's. Hermans was once let go by Nike. Think Hermans is objective?

Nope. Rojo jumped on that, and trolled the board, completely forgetting that years before he was hot on the case to bust Hermans when over seas journalist were reporting that Hermans was about to be caught in massive drug scandal.

People like you just come on this board and make accusations without doing any research. It's total bullsht and lazy.

So there is a lot of tin hat assumptions being made out there by people with a witch burning bias seeing things with a confirmation bias that comes to faulty conclusions.

What a major douche....Look at this. First you call him a tin foil hat conspiracy theorist, then you go ahead and behave in the exact same way you accused him of with the Rojo accusations. Give us a source or shut up.

"So there is a lot of tin hat assumptions being made out there by people with a witch burning bias seeing things with a confirmation bias that comes to faulty conclusions."

This sentence here fits extremely well to you and your Rojo accusations.

Oh shit, shouldn't accuse you of this, perhaps you'll claim I am Rojo?! Oh no!

By Rank. I enjoy competing but I lost my love for track and field so I dont take it seriously to the point where I feel I want to be the fastest out there and use PEDS. You dont realize the system until you are in it. Like most people here I was naive as well. I always thought these guys like Greene,Gatlin, Marion train clean and run fast from hard work. Not the case. Yes hard work is put in but with "assistance". These guys bust through the weekly workouts like its a jog when after two days im completely taxed and can barely walk. The workouts are impossible to do without PEDS. Yes there are clean guys out there but they are never at the top. Guys that hang around like Kim Collins and can give a top contender a decent fight on their worst day and maybe sneak into the finals at a competition. For a clean guy to medal they have to have a fallout of the drug users by busting top names such as when Balco went down and Kim Collins won worlds and 20.++ won the 200 meter. THOSE are the CLEAN guys. They are slowly starting to come down on Jamaica which I figured would happen sooner or later with the system they have it is not on a level playing field. Not because they dope too its because they stay doped all the way and right before major championships. Something guys in the US cant do because well they have to cycle off such as in my camp or the random testers will get you. YES we have had random drug tests while on the dope during off season but those are the months the athletes know where to go and how to dodge for 4 or 5 months. Have multiple houses with no connection to you to stay at during the week when testers are trying to find you and make sure your voicemail is full so testers cannot leave a message and it becomes a strike against you. I could go on and on. Stuff is just mind blowing but these athletes want to achieve a "dream" and make a living it all comes down to money

"And also, YES, the IAAF, WADA and the IOC have gotten better and better at catching cheats, saving and testing samples further and further back"

ADuck will you stop spouting this rubbish

the ioc had to be reluctantly reminded and pressured into retesting a handful of samples from athens at the last moment

in 2012

that what happened....................

the ioc don't want drug busts or bad news............

spdyhou tellin it how it is

same in cycling

dopers take down all the medals

clean guys finish last

that how it work buddies

bekele doped all along just like VCB but he wont get busted

..........too big they take down someone else lower down

just sayin wrote:

spdyhou tellin it how it is

same in cycling

Nowadays, cycling is squeaky clean compared to track.

Not saying it's clean per se, but in comparison, it's doing a great job with anti-doping.

I think it's easier with the smaller number of riders at the top level, along with the smaller network of teams and training locations they've been able to manage things better.

ok buddy

you didn hear about team sky lol

they train in tenerife and don get tested

brailsford said it himself

they doped to the eyeballs buddy

a select few on the team on the program

porte froome wiggo

that how it work buddy

TLW wrote:

Jeff Wigand wrote:

By so many you mean seven?

More importantly, these athletes had to travel across the country to see a doctor that would treat them in the manner they desired.

You see the issue with that?

Seven is it? Do we know there aren't more? I don't remember the specific number btw and I don't feel like Googling it. I just remember that the guy also treated Carl Lewis..

This is really poor reasoning. It's common for people to travel across the WORLD for a specific doctor to treat their medical conditions. You're either a troll or you really have no idea what you're talking about.

This is really poor reasoning. It's common for people to travel across the WORLD for a specific doctor to dope