Gatlin 9.94 over Bolt in Rome

Sprintgeezer wrote:

"You believe Bolt is doping and Gatlin is running clean, don't you?"

No, and that's not what I said. What this proves is what I said in my earlier post.

No?

Geezer, look, you've stated quite plainly that you believe that Bolt is doping, even though he has never tested positive. You love to say there is plenty of circumstantial evidence, etc., etc.

Now, do you believe convicted drug cheat, Justin Gatlin, has been doping since his reentry into competition or is currently doping? Here is your chance to state it plainly. And please, don't go on and on about baselines and his progression, etc. Just answer the question.

I have already stated it plainly, I hesitate to do it again for your benefit--but since you apparently have difficulty with it, here it is:

Bolt doped massively en route to his goofed and negative-leaned 9.69, and his 9.58

Bolt generally competes "cleanly", though, unless you consider his past use to have ongoing beneficial effects. He is currently competing "cleanly" in my opinion. He also competed "cleanly" last year, up to and including his brilliant 9.76

Bolt dopes massively and quickly for championships, as he did in 2012.

I do not believe Gatlin is currently doping. His times and more importantly his race are very consistent, and believable, even though he is doing it flying around the world. However, he absolutely COULD be doping, as Merritt 2012 proved to me that it is possible for a US athlete to get away with even massive doping.

I do not believe that Gatlin has been doping since his reentry into competition, although I do concede the possibility. His 9.79 from 2012 is right on the line or just over for me, but I give him the benefit of the doubt there, like I do for Gay at 9.69 (+2.0), and Bolt at 9.76 (-0.1). It is believable, but only just. I do not expect to see him repeat it.

So you have no evidence what-so-ever. Just statements you off the top of your head and present like facts.

First, thanks for the honesty. Seriously, you didn't dodge the question and I appreciate that. You're entitled to an opinion like anyone else but I'm not sure why you didn't just say it on the previous page instead of playing with semantics or acting like I was spewing BS.

So the fact is, you think the convicted doper is running clean and the world champion who has never tested positive, "dopes massively" right before competition on the world stage.

Getting down to specifics. Judging by your verbose analyses on performance, I don't think you want to be the type of guy that just throws around PED accusations with nothing on the specific product. What PED/s do you think Bolt is taking that affords him such a high rate of return? (By that, I mean the ability to completely decimate WRs while being undetectable right after use).

You'll get silence or some BS response.

Whaaat? wrote:

First, thanks for the honesty. Seriously, you didn't dodge the question and I appreciate that. You're entitled to an opinion like anyone else but I'm not sure why you didn't just say it on the previous page instead of playing with semantics or acting like I was spewing BS.

So the fact is, you think the convicted doper is running clean and the world champion who has never tested positive, "dopes massively" right before competition on the world stage.

Getting down to specifics. Judging by your verbose analyses on performance, I don't think you want to be the type of guy that just throws around PED accusations with nothing on the specific product. What PED/s do you think Bolt is taking that affords him such a high rate of return? (By that, I mean the ability to completely decimate WRs while being undetectable right after use).

You don't think people are able to get away with PED use? Bolt is barely even tested in Jamaica and their entire federation is corrupt. You must be delusional to believe Bolt is clean.

Doping isn't necessarily immediately before competition. Plus, at this point he is regaining performance, not setting new PRs. Since '09, Bolt regularly comes into these seasons looking like crap or is 'injured' (BS) and then, miraculously, comes back in 6-8 weeks in near tip-top shape and races into even better shape.

eldanielfire--

Look up other posts, you will find plenty of evidence, homeboy.

I understand that you're pissed because your big guns aren't firing. You have no right to expect that they would.

What you should be doing is being happy over the performances of the younger guys, which is where the real action is in Jamaica.

"What PED/s do you think Bolt is taking that affords him such a high rate of return?"

So you accept the premise that he has used, and have now moved the issue to specifically what it is that he has used.

Your question doesn't merit an answer, because it doesn't matter. I can name any number of things, or combinations of things, that would do the trick. It doesn't matter. He's using the same thing as A. Merritt, Jeter, and Blake.

Bolt is protected, especially by the Jamaicans (I will not provide discussion of this again, it has already been said), but also by everybody who is sharing in the wealth and who has had a good ride.

U keep making this up as you go along. So a banged up Bolt dopes up 6-8 weeks before a championship and you think 1) the Jamaica Federstion is too corrupt to test him and 2) the Jamaican juice is so sophisticated it can evade detection of international testers when Bolt does show up to compete at championship a few weeks later. Why not just say the IAAF is in on it too and Bolt never gets tested or his test results are shoved under the carpet.

U keep making this up as you go along. So a banged up Bolt dopes up 6-8 weeks before a championship and you think 1) the Jamaica Federstion is too corrupt to test him and 2) the Jamaican juice is so sophisticated it can evade detection of international testers when Bolt does show up to compete at championship a few weeks later. Why not just say the IAAF is in on it too and Bolt never gets tested or his test results are shoved under the carpet.

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Bolt can't win with these morons, if they believe he doesn't get tested and can dope as much as he wants then how can we even have discussion then. Plus Mills has that magic elixir that he's feeding his other athletes as well...oh forget the JAAA and the IAAF doesn't test Jamaicans so maybe the elixir is not magical after all.

Wait wonder if the NCAA's tested those 3 Jamaican winners at this years outdoor Championships and the silver medalist Chad Wright..

Sprintgeezer wrote:

"What PED/s do you think Bolt is taking that affords him such a high rate of return?"

So you accept the premise that he has used, and have now moved the issue to specifically what it is that he has used.

Your question doesn't merit an answer, because it doesn't matter. I can name any number of things, or combinations of things, that would do the trick. It doesn't matter. He's using the same thing as A. Merritt, Jeter, and Blake.

Bolt is protected, especially by the Jamaicans (I will not provide discussion of this again, it has already been said), but also by everybody who is sharing in the wealth and who has had a good ride.

Umm, nice try. Earlier you mentioned reading comprehension? No, I'm not stooping to your level. I don't accept the premise that he has used - quite the opposite. To clarify, it was a question directed at you to provide specifics to back up your empty accusations.

It does matter. Name the drug or drugs that would allow a 6'5" Jamaican dude to run 9 point friggin 69 and remain undetectable at OLYMPIC level testing? Clean samples even 5 years later.

I'm not saying it's impossible but I'm saying it's highly improbable. Even juiced to the gills, no one from the highly developed bastions of PEDs, have ever come close to 9.58. Correct? If that is true, we need to stop watching Iran & N. Korea and focus on Jamaica. If they can do this with PEDs, who knows what else they're capable of.

Now, combine this with Gatlin's multiple offenses and the fact that at a much older age, he's blowing away his "former" self on PEDs but is now supposedly clean? At the very least, one can surmise that he has permanently benefited from the usage and wields an unfair advantage every time he steps on a track. Who's to say he didn't juice up during his entire suspension then drop off prior to returning?

Again, your arguments are highly skewed and your logic is twisted. If you were wrong about the Olympics, you lost the big race... and you're making a lot of noise when it doesn't count... sorta like Gatlin.

lmao you realize they cycle drugs, right? Not to mention, numerous drugs are untestable or have extremely short detection times.

You realize that gives even more credence to him using drugs, right? If many other talented athletes have doped and run fast, but not as fast as Bolt, why you be believe it is improbable that Bolt hasn't doped as well, in spite of running much faster??

He is obviously talented, but you don't drop damn near half a second off your 100m time in a year or two at that level without heavy drug use.

I'm not going to get into whether Gat daddy is clean or not, but you realize his first positive was for Adderall, which he has had a prescription for since, but didn't go through the correct channels? Bolt doesn't even face strict testing.

Tooshort wrote:Bolt can't win with these morons, if they believe he doesn't get tested and can dope as much as he wants then how can we even have discussion then. Plus Mills has that magic elixir that he's feeding his other athletes as well...oh forget the JAAA and the IAAF doesn't test Jamaicans so maybe the elixir is not magical after all.

Wait wonder if the NCAA's tested those 3 Jamaican winners at this years outdoor Championships and the silver medalist Chad Wright..

It doesn't take a magic elixir. Do you think Jamaicans just started running in 2008? Where were all the sprint champions before then? Lots of great athletes, but only recently have they had such dominance in such great numbers. Combined with poor testing that Jamaica itself has acknowledged, you must be a fkng idiot to not be able to see what is going on.

JAAA is one of the most corrupt organizations there is--according to the coaches and athletes themselves! The entire country is corrupt. It is not a stretch of the imagination to believe Bolt and others are protected. Hell, Bolt's coach is one of the leaders of the fed!

areyouretarded wrote:

I'm not going to get into whether Gat daddy is clean or not.

Why not? You seem quite willing when it comes to bolt.

Pretty funny, dude.

Why do people sill use that argument? He would have been well under 10 sec if he actually ran the event prior to 2007, a year where he only ran once.

areyouretarded wrote:

Do you think Jamaicans just started running in 2008? Where were all the sprint champions before then? Lots of great athletes, but only recently have they had such dominance in such great numbers. Combined with poor testing that Jamaica itself has acknowledged, you must be a fkng idiot to not be able to see what is going on.

Don't be so hard on yourself. How are you to realize how deep Jamaican sprinting history goes unless your research it for yourself?

Jamaican "dominance" began right after the Balco doping scandal forced the USA's sprinters to stop cheating.

Whaaat? wrote:Don't be so hard on yourself. How are you to realize how deep Jamaican sprinting history goes unless your research it for yourself?

Jamaican "dominance" began right after the Balco doping scandal forced the USA's sprinters to stop cheating.

Wait, if Jamaican started dominating after the US stopped cheating, why did both countries have everybody running faster on average? Look at the 08 trials--easily the fastest in the history of the US.

areyouretarded wrote:

Whaaat? wrote:Don't be so hard on yourself. How are you to realize how deep Jamaican sprinting history goes unless your research it for yourself?

Jamaican "dominance" began right after the Balco doping scandal forced the USA's sprinters to stop cheating.

Wait, if Jamaican started dominating after the US stopped cheating, why did both countries have everybody running faster on average? Look at the 08 trials--easily the fastest in the history of the US.

In Jamaica's case, they took steps to retain their top sprinters at home instead of having them siphoned off by scouts from richer countries. Their training programs also improved and they have this 6'5" guy who explodes like shorter sprinters. Again, do some research.

It doesn't take a magic elixir. Do you think Jamaicans just started running in 2008? Where were all the sprint champions before then? Lots of great athletes, but only recently have they had such dominance in such great numbers. Combined with poor testing that Jamaica itself has acknowledged, you must be a fkng idiot to not be able to see what is going on.

JAAA is one of the most corrupt organizations there is--according to the coaches and athletes themselves! The entire country is corrupt. It is not a stretch of the imagination to believe Bolt and others are protected. Hell, Bolt's coach is one of the leaders of the fed!

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You don't crap about the JAAA fool, the JAAA were willing throw out their best athletes because they refused to go a Pre-Championship camp, TWICE. Which organisation hell bent on cheating does crap like that. Try again retard.

Our athletes are amongst the most tested in the world, there is nothing weak about the testing that takes place here. We have nothing to hide and take offence when the most corrupt sporting country when it comes to steroid abuse dare accuse us of cheating. STFU retard!