Mo Trafeh Breaks American Record at 2013 USA 25km - Matt Tegenkamp 3rd

scratching my head in wonder. wrote:

Mo, you posting this doesn't prove much. still hard to explain how you went from 1:05 to 1:00:30 in essentially a year (can somebody back up the 1:03 claim?), as I've watched your career with mild interest. best of luck kid, hope you never get caught for anything.

There was this a couple months before the 60:39.

which only hurts further, imo. at best its a draw, but doesn't help that there were 2 other dopers in the top 10. prior to this, best I could find was a 62:50, 2 weeks before his "breakout" race at New Haven. before these races, his history shows a ton of 14:4x, 14:5x, 30:xx, type of races. sorry, still not buying it.

scratching my head in wonder. wrote:

which only hurts further, imo. at best its a draw, but doesn't help that there were 2 other dopers in the top 10. prior to this, best I could find was a 62:50, 2 weeks before his "breakout" race at New Haven. before these races, his history shows a ton of 14:4x, 14:5x, 30:xx, type of races. sorry, still not buying it.

But the races that were faster don't count?

In my earlier post I said I didn't think he was any less suspicious than other American distance runners. If you're familiar with my posting you'll know that's not a very big endorsement. I just think most of the arguments that are used against him are mostly nonsense.

as best i can tell, he began running his "good" times no sooner than 9mo before his GRR/NYRR back to back week. prior to that, he had heaps of 14:50's, lots of 30:xx's, and perhaps one or two 29:30's. nothing there that I can honestly use to bolster an argument for why one would expect him to run the equivalent of almost 13 flat (which is what his half equates to- within a couple seconds). considering he's (to my knowledge) never been tested out of competition (a quick check of usada records shows this), he fights an uphill battle in the court of public opinion.

btw, sorry if i was insinuating you were supporting him, wasn't intentional at all, and I appreciate someone playing devils advocate. I had the same debate about solinsky when he ran sub 27 and sub13, but i think at least we expected the sub 13 at some point.

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but why would a person that has won US road championships not be tested out of competition?

That seems crazy to me, if it is the case.

He won the USA's 2011 half-marathon, for Pete's sake. why wouldn't he be tested out of comp?

You don't come around here much, huh? Mo has been tested out of competition almost as much as people like Rupp and Webb. But that doesn't stop people from spreading unsubstantiated xenophobic rumors...

don't know the rules wrote:

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but why would a person that has won US road championships not be tested out of competition?

That seems crazy to me, if it is the case.

He won the USA's 2011 half-marathon, for Pete's sake. why wouldn't he be tested out of comp?

If this is the case, why are people saying that the usada records don't reflect the testing dates?

To the brit, clearly you are not so dumb as to think we are speaking of Farah?

To the above poster: check usada records for Trafeh's Hx, then compare those #'s and compare with the # of times he placed top 3 in a us championship race in the corresponding quarters. You will find zero "extra" tests. This is bewildering b/c one would think usatf would request that a guy who starts winning mult road champs be placed on the out of comp list. Guess they dont give a $#ite, oh well. Would actually help trafeh to make a case that he's clean

Is 12th place finisher, 41 year old Sammy Korir an American citizen ?

If not Kevin Castille is Masters' 25 Km champ.

He's the same guy who finished a second or two behind Tergat when he set the Marathon WR in Berlin.

nuggy11 wrote:

Is 12th place finisher, 41 year old Sammy Korir an American citizen ?

If not Kevin Castille is Masters' 25 Km champ.

is this true? crazy that this guy is a master already, but i guess tergat is pretty old now too.

pre-kimetto wrote:

He's the same guy who finished a second or two behind Tergat when he set the Marathon WR in Berlin.