puzzled wrote:
I haven't followed the MIT, gunman, explosion story. Is that in anyway related to the marathon bombings?
It must be. What is the chance that there would be two bomb incidents, both in MA, both involving two people, two days apart, and unrelated?
holy fu.ck this is insane
2 suspects arrested in watertown (different guys from the MIT shooting)
wtf is going on AHAHHHHH
im not going to sleep
Maybe just a douchey looking guy who looks like suspect 2. What do you think?
I'm confused. CNN keeps reporting that a suspect has been arrested in Watertown tonight. A suspect in what? Monday's bombing? Tonight's MIT shooting? The hijacking near Boston tonight? "Suspect" right now is incredibly vague since that's the main term used for the perps in Monday's bombings.
Can someone give updates to what is happening on police scanners? Please. I can access computer at work but can't use the speakers. Thanks guys
Mostly hearsay so take it with a grain of salt but this is veryyyy real-time: http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/1cnwms/mods_removed_thread_live_updates_of_boston/
A remarkable number of FBI agents for a local police shooting. Hard to understand if this is the MIT shooting or the marathon bombers.
helpplease wrote:
Can someone give updates to what is happening on police scanners? Please. I can access computer at work but can't use the speakers. Thanks guys
A male has a device in a trench.
This has words on the screen.
http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/6254/webThis is not home-grown. In my estimation, this is al-Qaeda, or another related radical Islamic cell. I started this thread this evening as I watched the FBI press conference, and opened the FBI website. I saw 2 young guys in hats, casually walking around with (now known, deadly) backpacks, and thought they could have passed as any average American young person. But these guys were clinical, used al-Qaeda type bomb-making techniques, and the latest photo by Letsrun contributor/CNN interview Green and all the subsequent photo enhancements appear to show that the suspects have facial characteristics that would lead me to the al-Qaeda postulation.
I say this, not in a mean-spirited "profiling" way, but, as I have been deployed in the Balkans, Northern Africa, and Middle East for military operations, I came face to face with thousands of young guys like this, and studied them as part of my job.
I will also say this, and we know clearly from 9/11, al-Qaeda operations are conducted by a loosely organized network of cells. Its infrastructure is small, mobile, and decentralized. Each cell operates independently with its members not knowing the identity of other cells. Local operatives rarely know anyone higher up in the organization's hierarchy. So postulations by some on this board that these 2 were patsies for higher-level persons, or whatever term was used, is plausible, but also the way things operate in cells of this nature.
Two things I find very interesting, and both are tenuous, but interesting nonetheless. Don't flame me for this, it's not conspiracy theory or rabble-rousing, it's just putting the al-Qaeda theory into motion and looking at related facts we know have occurred.
The first is the disappearance of the ex-Brown U. kid on March 16. According to reports, he had been on leave from Brown for about a year. Moreover, after reading these articles below and more, there appears to be a heightened FBI search for the guy (in comparison to other missing person reports), as well as interesting discussions on the series of explosions that occurred in Hanover, MA, between Providence and Boston, just prior to his disappearance.
Is he the guy in the white hat? No, I think we can debunk that based on all the photos. Is his disappearance related to the Hanover explosions and these 2 suspects in the FBI photos? At the very least, possibly, since his disappearance appears suspicious, and has garnered significant attention from the FBI.
http://wtvr.com/2013/03/24/brown-student-missing-aunt-says-philosophy-major-left-vague-note/
http://www.punditpress.com/2013/04/sunil-tripathi-information-4182013.html
http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981864024
The second is the circumstances surrounding the Saudi National who was injured in the bomb blast, and taken into custody as a person of interest and questioned. He was put under armed guard in hospital after the bombing, had his apartment searched by federal and state law enforcement agents, and was visited by Saudi diplomat Azzam bin Abdel Karim.
Remember, the media (John King-CNN) was abuzz and assured us Wednesday afternoon that a suspect had been arrested and was being taken to Federal Court, with a FBI press conference at 5 pm on Wednesday. Before we know it, this was all defused and walked back. Further reports indicated the Saudi national was on a student visa, and the investigation was intervened by the Saudi diplomat, and the student was now being deported immediately under section 212 3B — “Security and related grounds.” Subsequent reports have backtracked on the schedule of deportation.
Nevertheless, the significant finding is that the student is a member of a prominent Saudi clan whose family members have long been linked and active in al-Qaeda since the 1980s. Read more here:
http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/u-s-deporting-saudi-person-of-interest/
http://www.okaz.com.sa/new/Issues/20130418/Con20130418591717.htm
So, with all that said, there are enough indicators to me that would lead me to believe this al-Qaeda postulation is being reviewed at the highest levels of the investigation. Obviously we have very little information compared to the years of intel and chatter gathered by national security agencies, but with what is out there, that's my take.
Are there any prior racing results or online training mileage logs for Jeff Bauman?
https://twitter.com/BostonGlobe/status/325131954125168641
steve michalik wrote:
This is not home-grown. In my estimation, this is al-Qaeda, or another related radical Islamic cell. I started this thread this evening as I watched the FBI press conference, and opened the FBI website. I saw 2 young guys in hats, casually walking around with (now known, deadly) backpacks, and thought they could have passed as any average American young person. But these guys were clinical, used al-Qaeda type bomb-making techniques, and the latest photo by Letsrun contributor/CNN interview Green and all the subsequent photo enhancements appear to show that the suspects have facial characteristics that would lead me to the al-Qaeda postulation.
I say this, not in a mean-spirited "profiling" way, but, as I have been deployed in the Balkans, Northern Africa, and Middle East for military operations, I came face to face with thousands of young guys like this, and studied them as part of my job.
I will also say this, and we know clearly from 9/11, al-Qaeda operations are conducted by a loosely organized network of cells. Its infrastructure is small, mobile, and decentralized. Each cell operates independently with its members not knowing the identity of other cells. Local operatives rarely know anyone higher up in the organization's hierarchy. So postulations by some on this board that these 2 were patsies for higher-level persons, or whatever term was used, is plausible, but also the way things operate in cells of this nature.
Two things I find very interesting, and both are tenuous, but interesting nonetheless. Don't flame me for this, it's not conspiracy theory or rabble-rousing, it's just putting the al-Qaeda theory into motion and looking at related facts we know have occurred.
The first is the disappearance of the ex-Brown U. kid on March 16. According to reports, he had been on leave from Brown for about a year. Moreover, after reading these articles below and more, there appears to be a heightened FBI search for the guy (in comparison to other missing person reports), as well as interesting discussions on the series of explosions that occurred in Hanover, MA, between Providence and Boston, just prior to his disappearance.
Is he the guy in the white hat? No, I think we can debunk that based on all the photos. Is his disappearance related to the Hanover explosions and these 2 suspects in the FBI photos? At the very least, possibly, since his disappearance appears suspicious, and has garnered significant attention from the FBI.
http://wtvr.com/2013/03/24/brown-student-missing-aunt-says-philosophy-major-left-vague-note/http://www.punditpress.com/2013/04/sunil-tripathi-information-4182013.htmlhttp://www.wickedlocal.com/hanover/news/x1037527396/Explosives-cause-concern-in-Hanover#axzz2Qs2alxxxhttp://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981864024The second is the circumstances surrounding the Saudi National who was injured in the bomb blast, and taken into custody as a person of interest and questioned. He was put under armed guard in hospital after the bombing, had his apartment searched by federal and state law enforcement agents, and was visited by Saudi diplomat Azzam bin Abdel Karim.
Remember, the media (John King-CNN) was abuzz and assured us Wednesday afternoon that a suspect had been arrested and was being taken to Federal Court, with a FBI press conference at 5 pm on Wednesday. Before we know it, this was all defused and walked back. Further reports indicated the Saudi national was on a student visa, and the investigation was intervened by the Saudi diplomat, and the student was now being deported immediately under section 212 3B — “Security and related grounds.” Subsequent reports have backtracked on the schedule of deportation.
Nevertheless, the significant finding is that the student is a member of a prominent Saudi clan whose family members have long been linked and active in al-Qaeda since the 1980s. Read more here:
http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/u-s-deporting-saudi-person-of-interest/http://www.prisonplanet.com/source-government-trying-to-make-boston-lone-wolf-terror-to-spare-saudis.htmlhttp://shoebat.com/2013/04/18/another-photo-of-alharbi-in-hospital-this-time-smiling-with-saudi-diplomat/http://www.okaz.com.sa/new/Issues/20130418/Con20130418591717.htmSo, with all that said, there are enough indicators to me that would lead me to believe this al-Qaeda postulation is being reviewed at the highest levels of the investigation. Obviously we have very little information compared to the years of intel and chatter gathered by national security agencies, but with what is out there, that's my take.
^^HIGHLY LIKELY
would bet quite a bit of money the suspects are not Americans...
2 new photos of suspects
It is scary how similar the white hat guy now looks to the missing brown student seen HERE:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIMLR6PCMAA8RI8.jpg
looks like it was him
I just heard reports of explosions in Watertown, MA tonight related to the shooting and other matters going down tonight in Cambridge, MIT, etc. Maybe we'll have another set of facts to add by the morning, but this is all happening very fast.
someone had to do it wrote:
2 new photos of suspects
http://www.fbi.gov/news/updates-on-investigation-into-multiple-explosions-in-boston/updates-on-investigation-into-multiple-explosions-in-bostonIt is scary how similar the white hat guy now looks to the missing brown student seen HERE:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIMLR6PCMAA8RI8.jpglooks like it was him
second pic of him:
http://i.imgur.com/FMaC9hJ.jpgThis might be the work of MIT engineering students of middle eastern descent.
puzzled wrote:
What does black-hat suspect have wrapped around his left pant leg at his ankle? There's not one on the right leg. It almost looks like his left pant leg is rolled up, but it's too low and close to his ankle for that to seem true.
Here's a still photo with it circled:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-JUaZFQKC3aA/UXDIpZ3_gdI/AAAAAAAAAs8/Q7Wzel1Vq7Q/s1600/Untitled.jpgYou can see it better on the FBI video here at 0:02 to 0:05
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M80DXI932OE
Looks like a band someone would use to keep their pants from getting caught/greased up by their bike chain. Nice job, he may have used a bike (not sure if similar band is used with motorcycles) to come and go from the marathon site.
There were a page on fb "Help Us Find Sunil Tripathi", the student that disappeared last month that resembles suspect 2. I've seen it this morning and they took it off tonight.
1. 2 people arrested in Watertown. NBC has the names, but won;t release until confirmed. One is reported as a name the FBI had already identified as a person of interest, per sources.
2. They made one guy they arrested strip naked before they cuffed him. They were very careful to verify he wasn't booby-trapped. When they took the guy into custody, video shows he is identifiable with dark medium length wiry hair, and looks Middle Eastern, possible the suspect 2 white cap guy, but difficult to tell, looks more muscular than I would imagine him to be based on the photos.
3. Reports show they found a pressure cooker device at the raid site in Watertown. Eye witnesses say 2-3 backpacks and bags are currently curbside, next to a car, and there is a robotic bomb-detector checking the car and bags, with bomb squad personnel in the street. Guy is on Skype now, and just showed the video from his window.
4. Links to the marathon bombing are being reported now, with federal agents being dispatched to investigate "visual and physical evidence" that relates these incidents to the bombings.
5. The caucasian kid on the ground spread-eagle is being reported as identified by police as a student who was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and not one of the suspects under arrest.
I think I'm going to be up all night on this one.
Here's the naked guy who was arrested, posted on another thread:
RIP: D3 All-American Frank Csorba - who ran 13:56 in March - dead
RENATO can you talk about the preparation of Emile Cairess 2:06
Running for Bowerman Track Club used to be cool now its embarrassing
Hats off to my dad. He just ran a 1:42 Half Marathon and turns 75 in 2 months!
Great interview with Steve Cram - says Jakob has no chance of WRs this year
Rest in Peace Adrian Lehmann - 2:11 Swiss marathoner. Dies of heart attack.
