Jeremy Wariner 43.8 4X4 leg Florida Relays

Notwithstanding the troll who posts under several different usernames, the vid of the race is here:

http://www.flotrack.org/coverage/250627-2013-Florida-Relays/video/704093-M-4x400-H01-adidas-302-Florida-304-at-2013-FL-Relays

Gay made his 400 look VERY easy, but I don't like the beard. I hope he tightens it up for competition. Look what happened to Powell.

Wariner looked good, but not great, but it was kind of hard to tell with him swinging wide and guys inside him dying. His first 200 looked slower than usual for him, but again, it was hard to tell.

I don't know how accurate the timing is for Gay's leadoff, but if it really was 45.3, it seemed really easy, and like he could have gone 44.9 again if he had tried.

Geezer-

His first 200 seemed a bit slow, but not really sluggish just steady. I thought he looked really strong (for earlyseason at least) during the last 100. He looked calm and didn't appear to be struggling.

Does Gay look leaner to you? I didn't recognize him at first because of that and the beard but maybe I just always picture him as bulkier because he's usually next to Bolt

IDK, I couldn't really tell anything from the Flotrack vid.

The announcers didn't even know it was him until he came down the home straight!

Sprintgeezer I thought the first 200 looked great. Not to hard but enough to close the gap on the youngsters. His final 200 looked great. The old JW had a hard first 200 but finished fast. Maybe he has gotten into the rhythm of fatherhood and can devote more time to training now.

Sprintgeezer wrote:

Notwithstanding the troll who posts under several different usernames, the vid of the race is here:

http://www.flotrack.org/coverage/250627-2013-Florida-Relays/video/704093-M-4x400-H01-adidas-302-Florida-304-at-2013-FL-Relays

Gay made his 400 look VERY easy, but I don't like the beard. I hope he tightens it up for competition. Look what happened to Powell.

Wariner looked good, but not great, but it was kind of hard to tell with him swinging wide and guys inside him dying. His first 200 looked slower than usual for him, but again, it was hard to tell.

I don't know how accurate the timing is for Gay's leadoff, but if it really was 45.3, it seemed really easy, and like he could have gone 44.9 again if he had tried.

Well, the result with JW speaks for itself. If the splits provided by Addias are anywhere near accurate, that is somewhere around the #10-12 fastest 4X4 split every run (from the all-time fastest races at least). Wariner has had problems with turf toe and hamstrings the last couple of years, but he's also had trouble finishing (getting run down by Merritt), and it might be that they're trying out a new strategy of going a little slower in the first 200. Could also be that, with all the aerobic stuff Hart believes in which results in athletes coming into form late, he was simply holding back a bit because he's (ahem) "not quite in shape yet"...and in that case one has to wonder if a 42-point relay/43-point open is back in his future this summer.

I don't think Gay was that much of a surprise. He's done this before, and it figured that he's be totally back to 100% this season, but not last season.

I'm with you, Coach D. How can people here not be impressed by a 43.8 relay carry? At sea level. In early April.

starmiler wrote:

I'm with you, Coach D. How can people here not be impressed by a 43.8 relay carry? At sea level. In early April.

It was a short course.

The more important question is what his max is in the Bench Press? If he isn't pressing at least 315 then he ain't nothing!

Sprintgeezer wrote:

Notwithstanding the troll who posts under several different usernames, the vid of the race is here:

http://www.flotrack.org/coverage/250627-2013-Florida-Relays/video/704093-M-4x400-H01-adidas-302-Florida-304-at-2013-FL-Relays

Gay made his 400 look VERY easy, but I don't like the beard. I hope he tightens it up for competition. Look what happened to Powell.

Wariner looked good, but not great, but it was kind of hard to tell with him swinging wide and guys inside him dying. His first 200 looked slower than usual for him, but again, it was hard to tell.

I don't know how accurate the timing is for Gay's leadoff, but if it really was 45.3, it seemed really easy, and like he could have gone 44.9 again if he had tried.

Wow, Gay looked super smooth! Didn't look like he tied up at all.

d--

I will take your word for it that it was a great leg. Had he been on the rail rather than swinging wide, he probably would have looked more impressive.

In any case, he looks to have recovered from whatever he had. At least he didn't die down the home straight, as he was doing there for a while.

The apparent ease with which Gay ran was kind of surprising to me. It looked like he just jogged a 45.3! The word I would use would be "nonplussed", a word I totally hate, but that seems appropriate.

I would have liked to have seen how Ashmeade would have stacked up against Wariner on the finishing straight, had he not gotten hemmed-in and cut-off against the rail coming out of the second turn. SUCKS! Oh well.

If Wariner has gone to a different phasing, and if that was the reason that he was dying before, then terrific. I think his first half looked not-so-fast was because of his huge and easy stride, and the fact that he's so thin. Of course he was moving, but he really seemed to be floating well, as good as I have ever seen.

If he has more left over the last 120m because of it, then great, I'm all for it.

Bad Sneakers wrote:

Aunt Tia wrote:

What time did he run? Oh, that's right, you didn't time it. But you know that those who did got it wrong? How so?

Who says I didn't time it?

You were there?

"I don't think this performance is determinative."

WTF does that mean?

Maybe not wrote:

"I don't think this performance is determinative."

WTF does that mean?

Exactly which part of that sentence are you having trouble understanding?

I don't think it's determinative of whether or not "he's back", as d suggested.

It was a relay not an open 400, I don't know about the timing, he wasn't running against anybody great, his leg had what for him I think was a favorable race evolution that he won't get in a quality open 400 field, and he needs to show some consistency in the face of adversity in order to "be back", IMHO.

Of course, I hope that he IS back, he would be great to have in the mix this year. I think 400 quality went down with him out, although there are some guys showing promise since his return.

ik500 wrote:

Wariner ran a 4x100 leg at the Texas Relays a couple weeks ago and looked pretty fast full speed, I would say he can still run 10.6 at the worst in a 100.

That is very slow for an elite 400m athlete.

I know 400m guys suck at starts but anything slower than 10.5 and you should consider 400m hurdles or 800.

It definitely wasn't 43.8. I hand timed it three times based on the Flotrack video and it was around 44.5 each time.

44-mid for Wariner. 45-high for Gay. Midpoint to midpoint.

43.8 on a relay is really like 44.5 to 44 high in an open. he needs to get faster if he plans on competing with James or Merritt at Moscow