Do you realize in 3 months in 2013, Japan has had 7 men go sub 2:09:15? All-time in history only 8 US men have done it.

I did not notice that, thank you Rojo. You are so wise.

Remember Pearl Harbor!

What about Ritz?

They missed Ritz.

A good point though. There have been lots of people who I thought would get there.

Who is out there now? Hartmann? Curtis, T.Nelson, Vaughn. Cabada

Maybe others will give it a go soon - Puskedra, Derrick, Lowe, Reily.

Rupp will wait for 3 years.

Will Teg ever try?

So far in just the first 3 months of 2013, Japan has seen the following 7 men run under 2:09:15:

1. 2:08:00 Kazuhiro Maeda 24-Feb

2. 2:08:14 Yuki Kawauchi 17-Mar

3. 2:08:35 Kentaro Nakamoto 3-Feb

4. 2:08:51 Masakazu Fujiwara 3-Mar

5. 2:09:06 Ryo Yamamoto 3-Mar

6. 2:09:10 Suehiro Ishikawa 3-Mar

7. 2:09:14 Takayuki Matsumiya 24-Feb

Meanwhile in the history of the world, only the following 8 US men have ever run under 2:09:15 for a full 26.2 marathon.

1. 2:04:58 Ryan Hall (Asics) 4/18/2011

2. 2:05:38 Khalid Khannouchi (New Balance)4/14/2002

3. 2:07:47 Dathan Ritzenhein (Nike) 10/12/2012

4. 2:08:47 Bob Kempainen (Nike) 4/18/1994

5. 2:08:56 Abdi Abdirahman (Nike) 10/23/2006

6. 2:09:08 Meb Keflezighi (Nike) 1/14/2012

7. 2:08:54 Dick Beardsley (New Balance) 4/19/1982

8. 2:09:00 Greg Meyer (Brooks) 4/18/1983

If you count Salazar's 2:08:13 from a short New York in 1981, which most people says is the equivalent of a 2:08:40, then the US barely edges Japan by 2.

Editor's note: Initially we left Ritz off the list. He has been added.

Salazar also ran 2:08:51 in Boston, so he should be on the list anyway. But to be honest, the ones run on aided courses should be notated. I think Hall is the only one of the five aided men to have gone under 2:09:15 on a record-standard course.

1. 2:04:58 a Ryan Hall (Asics) 4/18/2011

2. 2:05:38 Khalid Khannouchi (New Balance) 4/14/2002

3. 2:07:47 Dathan Ritzenhein (Nike) 10/12/2012

4. 2:08:47 a Bob Kempainen (Nike) 4/18/1994

5. 2:08:51a Alberto Salazar (Nike) 4/19/1982

6. 2:08:56 Abdi Abdirahman (Nike) 10/23/2006

7. 2:09:08 Meb Keflezighi (Nike) 1/14/2012

8. 2:08:54 a Dick Beardsley (New Balance) 4/19/1982

9. 2:09:00 a Greg Meyer (Brooks) 4/18/1983

None of the Japanese times were on aided courses. Probably also worth a mention that Kawauchi has run 2:08:14 and 2:08:15 this year.

1. 2:08:00 Kazuhiro Maeda 24-Feb

2. 2:08:14 Yuki Kawauchi 17-Mar

2:08:15 Yuki Kawauchi 3-Feb

3. 2:08:35 Kentaro Nakamoto 3-Feb

4. 2:08:51 Masakazu Fujiwara 3-Mar

5. 2:09:06 Ryo Yamamoto 3-Mar

6. 2:09:10 Suehiro Ishikawa 3-Mar

7. 2:09:14 Takayuki Matsumiya 24-Feb

rojo wrote:

have ever run under 2:09:15 for a full 26.2 marathon.

A full 26.2 marathon?

Thanks for clarifying.

I get confused with all the full 25.3 marathons and full 27.13 marathons and full 25.79 marathons.

troof be told wrote:

Salazar also ran 2:08:51 in Boston, so he should be on the list anyway. But to be honest, the ones run on aided courses should be notated.

Oh please, Boston is not an "aided course" by any stretch of the imagination unless there are freak wind contitions. It's not even worth pointing out that none of the Japanese records were on an "aided course." It's meaningless.

crazy raisin wrote:

Oh please, Boston is not an "aided course" by any stretch of the imagination unless there are freak wind contitions. It's not even worth pointing out that none of the Japanese records were on an "aided course." It's meaningless.

Not at all, under the rules of the sport it is entirely meaningful. It does not require a stretch of the imagination for Boston to be an aided course.

We've been hearing the Nike trolls post exaggerated hoopla about athletes in Eugene/Portland and LA/SD. Now Rojo joins the trolls and exaggerates for the Japs.

rojo wrote:

Meanwhile in the history of the world, only the following 8 US men have ever run under 2:09:15 for a full 26.2 marathon.

Well, you really did not need to write "in the history of the world," because you are discussing U.S. marathoners, and this has NOTHING to do with the history of the world.

Japan also has an almost 100% literacy rate and their vending machines sell beer.

Liar is you wrote:

We've been hearing the Nike trolls post exaggerated hoopla about athletes in Eugene/Portland and LA/SD. Now Rojo joins the trolls and exaggerates for the Japs.

Where's the exaggeration?

Why has the name of a shoe manufacturer been included after every American listed?

Is this somehow significant?

And did all the Japanese run barefoot?

also meb has a 2:09.08

my bad you already listed meb.

???????? wrote:

rojo wrote:

Meanwhile in the history of the world, only the following 7 US men have ever run under 2:09:15 for a full 26.2 marathon.

1. 2:04:58 Ryan Hall (Asics) 4/18/2011

2. 2:05:38 Khalid Khannouchi (New Balance)4/14/2002

3. 2:08:47 Bob Kempainen (Nike) 4/18/1994

4. 2:08:56 Abdi Abdirahman (Nike) 10/23/2006

5. 2:09:08 Meb Keflezighi (Nike) 1/14/2012

6. 2:08:54 Dick Beardsley (New Balance)4/19/1982

7. 2:09:00 Greg Meyer (Brooks) 4/18/1983

If you count Salazar's 2:08:13 from a short New York in 1981, which most people says is the equivalent of a 2:08:40, then the US barely edges Japan by 1.

Looks like 4 American men to me...

That's because you are a racist idiot.

uh.... wrote:

???????? wrote:

Looks like 4 American men to me...

That's because you are a racist idiot.

So these guys that just move here to live / train / live in the best country are american? If I moved to Japan tomorrow, and became a citizen immediately- would the Japanese recognize me as I won gold in boston while running for Japan?

Pat Morita ran 2:07:58

But im sure nobody cares about that.

And Americans wonder why they have a reputation for being obnoxious, ignorant people...

PoleF1ag wrote:

So these guys that just move here to live / train / live in the best country are american? If I moved to Japan tomorrow, and became a citizen immediately- would the Japanese recognize me as I won gold in boston while running for Japan?