Official 2013 World XC Live Race Day Thread

this has nothing to do with drug testing and everything to do with the conditions. whenever there are extreme conditions, the kenyans do poorly.

on no wrote:

this has nothing to do with drug testing and everything to do with the conditions. whenever there are extreme conditions, the kenyans do poorly.

You mean like in 1992 when the Kenyan's won in the snow? Umm.

Hellz yeah!!!!!!!

Come on mayne wrote:

US team looks ecstatic on the podium. Kenya...

https://twitter.com/J_Estes/status/315834591892099073

on no wrote:

this has nothing to do with drug testing and everything to do with the conditions. whenever there are extreme conditions, the kenyans do poorly.

These were NOT extreme conditions. These were XC conditions as they should be. XC should not be run on an oversized dirt track.

tsquaredcali wrote:

on no wrote:

this has nothing to do with drug testing and everything to do with the conditions. whenever there are extreme conditions, the kenyans do poorly.

These were NOT extreme conditions. These were XC conditions as they should be. XC should not be run on an oversized dirt track.

Or on perfectly manicured golf course fairway-type grass.

Ok my post from yesterdays blunder on my part missed it by a day. LetsRun could not post results today , they are on site at the event ! It took many other post here to get the results.

Any good reporter , any average reporter , any intern for all that matters could post the results. If these clowns want to post the moniker of reporters or journalists , then please do the job !

Just remember Ethiopia didn't even have the likes of Gebremeskel, Gebremariam, either Bekele, or Gebrhiwet, who should have been in the senior race.

Silver's just fine as is.

Yanqui wrote:

Just remember Ethiopia didn't even have the likes of Gebremeskel, Gebremariam, either Bekele, or Gebrhiwet, who should have been in the senior race.

Silver's just fine as is.

No one ram all of their top guys. You race with the team you brought. And, lets face it, this race is a bigger deal to East Africans than others. Lets hope this result changes that.

Hey, this is LetsRun. People are not interested in facts here!

jakethefake wrote:

WOW, if we scored all 7 runners the USA would have won that race!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Only 6 runners at World XC. Not quite sure how you're adding up 7 places.

IAAF World Cross Country Championships

12.0km CC Men

Warszawa Sluzewiec Date: Sunday, March 22, 1987

Senior men's race:

274 finishers

33 teams finished a full compliment.

1 Kenya 53

John Ngugi 1

Paul Kipkoech 2

Some Muge 5

Andrew Masai 6

Moses Tanui 18

Sisa Kirati 21

Boniface Merande (48)

Samuel Nyangincha (67)

Vincent Kibiwott (123)

2 England 146

Dave Clarke 10

Carl Thackery 20

Kevin Forster 22

Steve Binns 23

Craig Mochrie 33

Jonathan Richards 38

Tim Hutchings (43)

Paul Roden (46)

Martin McLoughlin (59)

3 Ethiopia 161

Abebe Mekonnen 4

Haji Bulbula 17

Wodajo Bulti 27

Wolde Silasse Melkessa 29

Melese Feissa 39

Bekele Debele 45

Habte Negash (53)

Chala Urgessa (70)

Negatu Seyoum (96)

4 Italy 223

Francesco Panetta 13

Gelindo Bordin 26

Marco Gozzano 32

Severino Bernardini 36

Salvatore Bettiol 54

Franco Boffi 62

Giuseppe Miccoli (111)

Gianni Demadonna (126)

Alberto Cova (186)

5 France 245

Paul Arpin 3

Bruno Le Stum 9

Pierre Levisse 15

Emmanuel Goulin 55

Thierry Pantel 68

Jean-Yves Berau 95

Cyrille Laventure (150)

Thierry Watrice (174)

Raymond Pannier (195)

6 Portugal 309

José Regalo 14

Fernando Mamede 37

Joaquim Pinheiro 41

Ezequiel Canario 50

Dionisio Castro 63

António Pinto 104

Fernando Couto (129)

Luis Horta (173)

Domingos Castro ( DNF)

7 Spain 340

Constantino Esparcia 25

Vicente Polo 28

Abel Antón 42

Juan José Rosario 61

Valentin Rodríguez 81

Santiago Llorente 103

Cándido Alario (106)

Alejandro Gómez (114)

Antonio Prieto (131)

8 Belgium 378

Vincent Rousseau 19

Jos Maes 47

Eddy de Pauw 64

Eric de Beck 73

Peter van de Kerkhoven 78

Willy van Huylenbroeck 97

Willy Goddaert (135)

Peter Govaerts (201)

9 United States 418

Pat Porter 7

Ed Eyestone 12

Steve Plasencia 24

George Nicholas 87

David Barney 127

Douglas Tolson 161

Robert Hodge (198)

Randy Reina (223)

10 Canada 487

Paul McCloy 8

Peter Butler 65

Art Boileau 94

Graeme Fell 98

Rob Lonergan 109

Doug Cronkite 113

Alain Bordeleau (143)

Norman Tinkham (193)

Philippe Lahuerte (208)

11 Algeria 562

El Hachami Abdenouz 51

Mahieddine Belhadj 80

Mahmoud Hazzazi 89

Abdelhak Henane 102

Lasmani Merzougui 116

Mohamed Difallah 124

Rebai Settouh (151)

Brahim Boudina (162)

12 Norway 564

John Halvorsen 16

Jarl Gaute Aase 58

Helge Dolsvåg 86

Dag Øxnevad 121

Truls Nygaard 125

Oddmund Roalkvam 158

13 Federal Republic of Germany 588

Konrad Dobler 44

Ralf Salzmann 72

Bernd Bürger 85

Hans-Jürgen Orthmann 101

Axel Hardy 118

Rainer Gutschank 168

Engelbert Franz ( DNF)

14 New Zealand 599

David Burridge 30

Ken Moloney 74

Rex Wilson 79

Gregor Cameron 91

David Rush 155

Kerry Rodger 170

Chris Tobin (179)

Shane Marshall (182)

15 Tunisia 604

Habib Romdani 49

Fethi Manai 56

Abderrazak Gtari 66

Mohamed Salah Rajhi 130

Brahim Ayachi 144

Adelaziz Bouguerra 159

Hichem Oueslati (200)

Ezzedine Amdouni (215)

Mohamed Hammami (224)

16 Japan 605

Kazuya Nishimoto 34

Kozo Akutsu 71

Shuichi Yoneshige 75

Shuzo Nakajima 88

Tadayoshi Kametaka 153

Satoshi Yano 184

Isao Saito (237)

Kenji Ide (248)

17 Poland 646

Krzysztof Wesolowski 60

Boguslaw Maminski 82

Jan Huruk 83

Slawomir Gurny 119

Boguslaw Psujek 145

Andrzej Malicki 157

Kazimierz Lasecki (164)

Romauld Krupanek (209)

Tomasz Kozlowski (211)

18 Sweden 651

Lars-Erik Nilsson 57

Mats Erixon 77

Jan Hagelbrand 90

Jonny Danielson 122

Patric Nilsson 140

Håkan Börjesson 165

Jan-Erik Arvidsson (220)

Peder Poulsen ( DNF)

Thorsten Jakobsson ( DNF)

19 Wales 672

John Jenkins 76

Paul Wheeler 99

Steve Jones 107

Mike Bishop 120

Chris Buckley 134

Ieuan Ellis 136

Tony Simmons (199)

Nigel Adams (245)

20 Ireland 698

John Woods 35

Paul O'Callaghan 92

Roy Dooney 100

Gerry Deegan 139

James Fallon 154

Gerry Craig 178

Richard Mulligan (210)

Brendan Downey (212)

Gerard Kiernan (230)

21 Australia 702

Steve Moneghetti 11

Peter Brett 84

Brad Camp 108

Adam Hoyle 156

Martin Stock 166

Gerard Barrett 177

Jamie Harrison (218)

22 Scotland 804

Nat Muir 40

Terence Mitchell 137

John Robson 146

Chris Robison 149

Tommy Murray 152

Neil Tennant 180

Charles Haskett (181)

Ross Copestake (192)

Allister Hutton (196)

23 Netherlands 825

Tonnie Dirks 93

Aart Stigter 105

Mark Borghans 117

Herman Hofstee 141

Michael Franssen 148

Guido Sasse 221

Marc van Rooy (229)

24 Zimbabwe 844

Stanley Mandebele 31

Melusi Ndhlela 132

Farai Kamucheka 133

James Mutsimba 175

Nicholas Nyengerai 176

Zephaniah Ncube 197

25 Switzerland 899

Arnold Mächler 52

Jacques Krähenbühl 138

Pierre-Andre Gobet 147

Marius Hasler 160

Markus Graf 189

Kurt Huerst 213

Markus Hacksteiner (214)

26 Greece 1081

Spiridon Andreopoulos 115

Fotios Kourtis 171

Khristos Papakhristos 183

Konstantin Kyriazis 187

Emmanuel Handzos 206

Anastasiou Psathas 219

Savas Koubouras (227)

Fotios Bourkoulas (240)

27 Brazil 1099

Diamantino dos Santos 110

Gentil de Mello 169

Clovis Estevam 185

Jolar de Azevedo 202

Elias de Moura 207

Gregorio Lavandoski 226

João Pereira (242)

28 Northern Ireland 1119

Peter McColgan 128

Mark Kirk 188

Deon McNeilly 190

Geoffrey Wade 191

Gerald Neely 205

John McDowell 217

Ernie Cunningham (231)

David Lonnen (247)

John Walsh (259)

29 India 1370

Hari Singh 203

Chauhan Jagat Singh 222

Shivkumar Shreshta 232

Ashok Kumar 236

Surender Pal Singh 238

Prem Singh 239

Pyara Singh (243)

30 Cyprus 1461

Nicos Vasiliou 172

Demetrios Thephylactou 252

Vasilios Chimonis 255

Kharalambos Pratsis 256

Efthymious Loizi 261

Nikólaos Leonidou 265

Andreas Anastasoiu (270)

Georgios Kyriacou (272)

31 Chinese Taipei 1472

Hsu Gi-Sheng 225

Liu Chang-Chung 241

Ho Hsin-Ye 246

Chou Hsien-Kuang 250

Lee Yin-Sheng 253

Wu Yu-Chia 257

Hsu Kuang-Piao (267)

32 Jamaica 1473

Basil Brown 228

Linton McKenzie 234

Derrick Adamson 244

Mark Elliott 249

Cebert Cooper 254

Paul Smith 264

Alvin Bernard (266)

33 Hong Kong, China 1584

Tim Soutar 251

Joseph Crossley 262

Maurice Szeto-Jan 263

Wong Chung Man 268

Hon Kwai Kwok 269

Wong Ip Chor 271

Wong Sai Hine (273)

Ming Kuen Hon (274)

. Czechoslovakia .

Martin Vrabel (69)

Zdenek Mezulianik (112)

Zdenek Moravcik (142)

Miroslav Bauckmann (163)

. Denmark .

Niels Kim Hjorth (167)

Thomas Sørensen (194)

John Christiansen (204)

. Egypt .

Mohamed Idriss (235)

Kamel Amine Taha (258)

Mohamed Haremes (260)

. Turkey .

Zeki Öztürk (216)

. Israel .

Amit Ne'eman (233)

800m Coach wrote:

US B team over Kenyan E team

That's only because the A-D team are all running scared from the bio-passport and probably struggling for 'form'.

trollism wrote:

800m Coach wrote:

US B team over Kenyan E team

That's only because the A-D team are all running scared from the bio-passport and probably struggling for 'form'.

But you said they were protected

Go USA. Biggest thing to come from this race is the stigma of Ethiopians and Kenyans is how officially gone. Never understood why American kids could transition from hs to college and raise their game regardless who was competing, but couldn't do it from college to pro. Looks like that is now happening.

No reason these guys can't all be low 13/low 27 guys and competing for finals and medals at Olympics and world champs.

Great time to be a fan of USA running.

Equinox2100 wrote:

USA:

True - 6th

Derrick - 10th

Vail - 17th

Bobby Mack - 19th

(Heath - 30th)

(Strang - 37th)

Kenya:

Korir - 1st

Macharinyang - 12th

Kirui - 15th

Kiptoo - 26th

(Cherop - 36th)

(Ndiku - DNF)

USA USA USA USA

Only FOUR score in World Cross Country.

tsquaredcali wrote:

on no wrote:

this has nothing to do with drug testing and everything to do with the conditions. whenever there are extreme conditions, the kenyans do poorly.

These were NOT extreme conditions. These were XC conditions as they should be. XC should not be run on an oversized dirt track.

Exactly and it's not like Ethiopia is a winter lover's paradise! They won!!!!

Jeff Wigand wrote:

But you said they were protected

They could be protected when the vast majority of the people following the sport thought they were all smiley, happy, innocent Africans who weren't genetically able to cheat.

Now we've had the German documentary, the failed tests, the admission by Kiptanui that Kenya had a massive filthy doping problem, the public perception is changing.

Off course, you've still got the silly fanboys like yourself and Douglas that are Lance-fan like in your defense of these cheaters, but the IAAF realise that now is the time to crack down. If not in a massive public way, but we're going to see it in the results.

What a feeling of Silver...awesome.

Emerald, thanks for the 1987 results. Some real finds in there, such as former St. Louis Cardinals All Pro Guard Konrad Dobler, who took up XC and ran for Germany after his NFL career ended. Really, Germany had the best names in those days (Axel Hardy, et al).