17 POSITIVE TESTS FROM ENDURANCE ATHLETES!!.(not released by the IAAF yet) Make your bets here!

A Duck wrote:

Here is the proper link to support the IAAF in their efforts or give the Suggestions:

IAAF Public Suggestion link:

http://www.iaaf.org/about-iaaf/contact-us

IAAF needs an independent testing lab --sorry Nike-- to test certain athletes from a certain state every day during the year.

here's the problem - we'll likely have a lot more makhloufi/ramzi types who show up for big meets and then disappear. They might be doing this to avoid building a solid biological passport.

"You can find athletes popping up at the highest level and then disappearing within two to three years," he said, adding that this made it difficult to gather the depth of information necessary to show up significant fluctuations in the haematological pattern.

Dibaba injured - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/21787567

If enough Americans get suspended/banned I might get off the couch and start training for the US trials...

A Duck, have you ever read "Don Quixote"? Don't you think you have a rather odd obsession with Letsrun? Tilting at windmills, much?

Miguel de Cervantes wrote:

A Duck, have you ever read "Don Quixote"? Don't you think you have a rather odd obsession with Letsrun? Tilting at windmills, much?

This entire forum is people tilting at windmills for 13 years.

Harp about drugs, and where is the anti-doping resource page on this website.

And, you read my post, so are you windmill?

For every negative poster, there are ten positive silent lurkers, at least.

duck, I don't know why you posit yourself as 'anti drug' and lrc as too passive.

LRC has always used the epithet 'drug cheat' before people off bans, they tried a citizens's arrest on Mark Block, they mock lance constantly...your mad insistence that lrc is too passive is overdoing it.

A Duck--

There is a lot in my opinion that Letsrun does wrong or could do better.

But I do not see how allowing a forum for people to discuss the recent revelation of 17 positive tests is in any way counterproductive, as you claim. Not allowing such a forum would be far more counterproductive, since it would stifle outlets for expressing the indignation and outrage over doping that in turn exert a productive influence on the sport.

Your reactionary stance against all things Letsrun, I think, is clouding your judgment here.

You're really obsessive in your quest to find demons in every corner of Letsrun. It's a message board for running geeks for christsakes.........

Harry Carey wrote:

Your reactionary stance against all things Letsrun, I think, is clouding your judgment here.

/\ This is the point. It's his angry, obsessive and repetitive rants that's so offensive. Plus attacking the Brojos (calling them 'Blojos') with vulgar epithets doesn't make him any more appealing. He gives the Ducks a stain on their reputation since he purports to be their representative on the interwebs.

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Miguel de Cervantes wrote:

He gives the Ducks a stain on their reputation since he purports to be their representative on the interwebs.

I don't recall him ever saying he represents the ducks. Can you imagine the LR threads we could have on jumping to conclusions? Need to know if leg speed or turnover is more important on the run-up?

That being said, A Duck is WAY over the top. He could use both a self-editor and a real editor before he posts. The snark certainly gets in the way of the message.

However, just as we suffer tough workouts, on the way to a meaningful race, we must suffer his rants to get at the meaningful point.

The Brothers Johnson (who I have no personal grudge against and have actually had a positive interaction with Weldon) do not raise the expectation bar when they refer to "drug cheats" as if it were a given name and when they allow the rampant speculation/accusation that rules the board.

It is possible to have a message board that is both fun (although any post that mentions Journey or Styx in a positive light SHOULD result in a lifetime ban)and useful.

A Duck is simply (okay, he never does anything simply) calling for a place for information for those of us who try to make a difference in our chosen sport and for a few threads that discuss things in an adult way (wouldn't it be fun to see if A Duck could act like an adult?).

We now return you to your regularly scheduled snitting.

Harry Carey wrote:

A Duck--

There is a lot in my opinion that Letsrun does wrong or could do better.

But I do not see how allowing a forum for people to discuss the recent revelation of 17 positive tests is in any way counterproductive, as you claim. Not allowing such a forum would be far more counterproductive, since it would stifle outlets for expressing the indignation and outrage over doping that in turn exert a productive influence on the sport.

Your reactionary stance against all things Letsrun, I think, is clouding your judgment here.

You read me wrong my friend.

My stance is not reactionary against all things LRC.

My chance is that we agree on the same core things; we are all anti doping.

So you can anonymously accuse people, while showing you have no power.

Or, you could avail yourself of the legit sites and orgs for expressing your support of what IAAF is doing now in Kenya.

So what I am saying is it is more valuable to share the information about how to tell IAAF you would like more out of season testing in country x, or that you would like to see harsher penalties etc.

Writing to IAAF

Writing to USADA

Writing to WADA

Writing to USATF

Let these organizations here from you, they want to, they all have public arms for hearing form the public. Why just complain and accuse and whine here, when you can encourage those catching the drug cheats to do a better job?

So, we're divided on approach.

The Brojo's seem to just want to trawl along as is.

I am suggesting they create a page on their website showing concerned fans what they can to to help in the battle against drugs in our sport.

agip wrote:

duck, I don't know why you posit yourself as 'anti drug' and lrc as too passive.

LRC has always used the epithet 'drug cheat' before people off bans, they tried a citizens's arrest on Mark Block, they mock lance constantly...your mad insistence that lrc is too passive is overdoing it.

The passive part is them being satisfied with a bunch of knuckleheads making random baseless accusations and smears of athletes -- while offering nothing to educate the reader or visitor to this site as a resource for how we real fans can let IAAF know how we feel about their current efforts.

This knew story is HUGE, and IAAF should be getting lots of emails of support. And those emails could also offer ideas for harsher penalties -- and other suggestions many people would like to see the IAAF do.

So the idea is that they should have an organized effort, a special page where their readers can click and go read and learn, and see what the everyday stakeholder fan of athletics can do to help get drugs out of sport.

Every single organization out there has an email address and access for the public to provide suggestions.

Let get organized and move the anonymous accusations, slandering, an smear energy down, and offer a replacement, where we can actually act like adults and contact organizations and people who can actually have some effect on these issues.

LRC and the Brojo's are focused on pointing fingers. I am suggesting that rather than all this anonymous finger pointing and accusations, that we raise the game and avail ourselves of the access to these orgs and governing bodies that exist out there.

Sample one: You whine and accuse a runner on this board. You could be Wejo, and anonymous anyone. Likely result: you have no effect. Write IAAF/WADA/USAD/USATF you've taken an action that can be considered a VOTE in the fight against doping. Support these organizations by intelligently letting them know what you think, ideas you have, programs you'd like to see. When people get solution oriented some really good ideas come out -- like docking countries teams a runner for any positive test in that event.

Again, we agree we are both anti doping.

I am just saying, that after 13 years of nonsense, why not take the two hours to build a link and page called Support Clean Running, where you can click over and take action. These organizations all have email addresses for the public.

"Why not we lets use them," and expand the game past the same old same old flare ups of accusation fests...which do nothing, and present actions and information people can avail themselves of to actually do something proactive.

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A Duck:

I'll admit when you first starting posting on these boards I couldn't stand you! I still can't stand some of the stuff you post.

I do agree with what you're saying here. I don't think it's right to accuse random people with out evidence. Many of LRC posters accuse college runners of being doped without even knowing them.

If there is a suspicion like the 1500 Olympic race, I think it's ok for people to say I think he is doped to the gills. That race was...mind blowing that anyone could pull away like that.

If Rupp would ever get caught...I'd be surprised. Alberto lets a lot of people in on their training. He's pretty vocal about the things the do. IT seems the coaches that are always talking about training and what they do with the athletes are the ones that are ACTUALLY doing something right.

It's the runners who are hiding and never seen that are questionable.

17 athletes is HUGE! I think you have some good opinions Duck, sometimes you come across as a douche.

Sorry for any grammar/spelling errors. I know how LRC gets.

No worries, we cool. Appreciate your posts. Once upon a time I was mellow here -- but as the behavior got more insane on the board I needed to take a different tack to rise above the hate and noise.

You description of Alberto and his openness is right on. He runs a clean program, and because he does he can share much more with the press than any other coach today.

Hypocrites from Hypocrisy wrote:

Patrick Makau, Mo farah, kenenisa bekele, galen rupp, tadese, asbel kiprop, david rudisha, manzano, bernard lagat, paula radcliffe, t. dibaba, mahkloufi, centrowitz, moses mosop, lawi lalang, levins, cain, lomong

This post made us laugh out loud.

If it's those 17 people, we will shut the site down for a week and reconsider if we want to go forward.

Can u imagine?

Who would be left to root for?

Well I guess Ryan Hall, Duane & Nick, Willis, Uceny, Rowbury, Simpson. I guess there are plenty left. On second thought, the site won't be off line for a week.

That list has 18 names on it though, which one is not on the list?

One correct though, good old Tirunesh confirms her guilt by pulling out of London.

Won't be announced though. She'll have a longish injury as instructed.