I'm writing an article revolving around a couple of big distance races in the 1983 indoor - outdoor track seasons and NY high school running scene in the early '80s. I'd be interested in hearing any stories any of the runners of that time would have, especially about the Milrose Mile and Yale Invite of winter 1983 and Loucks and States in the spring, but also just the general stuff about how and who you competed against at the time.
Mike Starr use to post on here. Miles Irish would be another guy to ask.
Contact Don Buckley, athletic director at St. Anthony's HS in South Huntington on Long Island. He was the xc/track coach back then...sure, he has a few good stories.
Joe Greene - Walt Whitman 79 won states as a junior
Marty Bueachamp - NYs first Kinney Qualifier - 80
Mike Hedgecock was real young in 83 but set some NY records - steeple, 10K around that timeframe
couple years later - Dan Middleman - Clarke High School - sub 9:00 - went to 96 games in 10,000
82- Anthony Smith - from around Yonkers set VCP 5k record at Kinney
Michael Stahr can be reached at
under the name 'Hoya'
He owns the site......
He can find Miles Irish as well.....
To tell the truth, the article revolves around Stahr and Irish and the big races of '83 track, so they will be contributing heavily through an interview, but I'm looking to bring in the stories of the other guys (or Chris Curtin) of the indoor and outdoor seasons, some of whom have posted here in the past. Read through Mike's old posts, but if any of you guys from Milrose, Yale, States, etc. can talk about it, would love to hear for a colorful rehash of a time that is unknown to any of the runners today. Mainly distance focus, but if anyone remembers some sprint and field stuff that's good, that's great.
Where will this article appear?
Since you have interviewed Stahr and Irish, were they able to refer you to other luminaries from the era(Carlotti, Marsala, Van Wie)?
S1-NYS wrote:
To tell the truth, the article revolves around Stahr and Irish and the big races of '83 track, so they will be contributing heavily through an interview, but I'm looking to bring in the stories of the other guys (or Chris Curtin) of the indoor and outdoor seasons, some of whom have posted here in the past. Read through Mike's old posts, but if any of you guys from Milrose, Yale, States, etc. can talk about it, would love to hear for a colorful rehash of a time that is unknown to any of the runners today. Mainly distance focus, but if anyone remembers some sprint and field stuff that's good, that's great.
Chris Curtin is a girl. Don't think she was racing Starr or Irish.
Stahr and Irish interview is about to happen when they can fit it, and the article will be appearing on NY Milesplit and Section 1 \ NYS Running. Carlotti, Van Wie, Smith, McLaughlin, Murkezich, Collins (the author), young Trautmann, etc. for mainly HS but also the college followup will be covered. Chris Curtin too on girls' side. Have a few connections and one of those guys is the brother of a top NY HS team that will be covered in future article, but if anyone knows of a direct contact (or is the contact) for the old stars or was running in those '83 races, I'm sure there's memories. It was a time when a lot of elbows got thrown.
Hawkrunner wrote:
S1-NYS wrote:To tell the truth, the article revolves around Stahr and Irish and the big races of '83 track, so they will be contributing heavily through an interview, but I'm looking to bring in the stories of the other guys (or Chris Curtin) of the indoor and outdoor seasons, some of whom have posted here in the past. Read through Mike's old posts, but if any of you guys from Milrose, Yale, States, etc. can talk about it, would love to hear for a colorful rehash of a time that is unknown to any of the runners today. Mainly distance focus, but if anyone remembers some sprint and field stuff that's good, that's great.
Chris Curtin is a girl. Don't think she was racing Starr or Irish.
Ohe really. Actually, she was a little more than just a girl, and she was one of the supreme runners of the age who did run in many of the same meets as these guys, so yeah she's part of the action. To put it in perspective, her '82 States XC time was less than a minute behind some top top 10 guys back in the 3-Class era. Even with a Cuffe, Fanning, Cain or Lipari, that would not happen nowadays. She counts.
Mike Stahr overtaking Jeff Van Wie on the achor leg of the DMR at the NY Relays on Randalls Island. Van Wie slamed the baton to the track after the finish. Stahr had beaten him the day before in the open 800 i beleive the times were 1:50.5 to 1:50.8. Can't blame Van Wie for being pissed. A few months later he ran 1:48.56 to win the Golden West 800. We had a lot a great race between all the studs in NYS back then.
Birdseye view wrote:
Mike Stahr overtaking Jeff Van Wie on the achor leg of the DMR at the NY Relays on Randalls Island. Van Wie slamed the baton to the track after the finish. Stahr had beaten him the day before in the open 800 i beleive the times were 1:50.5 to 1:50.8. Can't blame Van Wie for being pissed. A few months later he ran 1:48.56 to win the Golden West 800. We had a lot a great race between all the studs in NYS back then.
Great story. From what I gather, Mike remembers everything, so I'll have to ask him about that one. I'm taking it that the rules with the baton were a little different in NY. I ran in CT and my team lost a meet once because our 4x880 anchor tossed a celebratory baton in the air after finishing 20 yards in front. Instant DQ, and we all knew it. Guy was a sophomore pot head.
Like Irish's 1000m, and Stahr's back-to-back Milroses, Van Wie's 800m from GW is an NY mark that has stood for three decades (as did Curtin's).
S1-NYS wrote:
Hawkrunner wrote:Chris Curtin is a girl. Don't think she was racing Starr or Irish.
Ohe really. Actually, she was a little more than just a girl, and she was one of the supreme runners of the age who did run in many of the same meets as these guys, so yeah she's part of the action. To put it in perspective, her '82 States XC time was less than a minute behind some top top 10 guys back in the 3-Class era. Even with a Cuffe, Fanning, Cain or Lipari, that would not happen nowadays. She counts.
Not saying she doesn't count, but you called her a guy. And it appeared that you were taking about BOYS races. She may have run in the same meets, but she didn't race Starr or Irish.
Either way, I would like to read your final write up. Early 80s had some great runners and races.
December 1982 SI article on Carlotti and Stahr
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1126251/index.htm
After high school Carlotti went to Oregon and I remember him running the 800 as a freshman almost every meet because the Ducks were deep in the 1500m with Cruz, Myers, Hill and 3-4 other guys capable of low 3:40s.
I think Carlotti stopped running for the Ducks his sophomore year, but he still lives in the Eugene area. Not sure if he gave up running because of injury or some other reason.
Don't forget Charles Marsala of New Dorp in Staten Island who arguably might have had the best post HS career....
Hawkrunner wrote:
Not saying she doesn't count, but you called her a guy.
I am trying, so far without success, to imagine that a native speaker of English seriously could read "stories of the other guys (or Chris Curtin)" and somehow conclude from it that Chris was being called a guy.
Please tell me you're not a NYer. We already have plenty of dopes.
rthsrt wrote:
Hawkrunner wrote:Not saying she doesn't count, but you called her a guy.
I am trying, so far without success, to imagine that a native speaker of English seriously could read "stories of the other guys (or Chris Curtin)" and somehow conclude from it that Chris was being called a guy.
Please tell me you're not a NYer. We already have plenty of dopes.
Ok, I missed the OR, but the op was clearly talking about guys and not girls. The fact is I would love to read some insight into runners of the early 80s.
rthsrt wrote:
Hawkrunner wrote:Not saying she doesn't count, but you called her a guy.
I am trying, so far without success, to imagine that a native speaker of English seriously could read "stories of the other guys (or Chris Curtin)" and somehow conclude from it that Chris was being called a guy.
Please tell me you're not a NYer. We already have plenty of dopes.
Thanks on Marsala, forgot about him though he had come up in some of the old articles. Getting a nice list of names and hopefully some personality quirks to revolve the '83 article around. Still amazed that two of the state records from that year are going strong, and since the were from different venues and seasons you can't point to springy boards for both.
Yeah, I did say "or" on Curtin, but she was basically still one of the guys in my book.
Steve San Antonio
good luck trying to get ahold of Carlotti
nobody's been able to find him for 20 years