Last three Olympic champions better milers than Rupp

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:

In spite of all the excitement, 3:50.9 is not as quick as fanboys want it to be.

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It's so not-special that every Olympic gold medalist since 1996 has done it:

3:31i (Haile)

3:32 (Bekele)

3:33 (Farah)

CONTEXT.

Whenever you post, two things are assured:

1. You will call anyone who respects Galen Rupp a 'fanboy'. I am 51 years old and have two kids. Stop it.

2. You will concoct some byzantine argument to suggest that despite being a multiple AR holder, Olympic medalist and sub-13-sub-27 guy, Rupp is just not very good (only 'fanboys' think that).

This time, you seem not to have noticed that your argument required you to restrict your comparison to a pretty small set of people:

A. Olympic champions - only one person does this every four years, you do realize?

B. People who've run in the 12:40's or faster.

OK, so Rupp doesn't tower above that set of people. No one does, Saladbar. No one. CONTEXT, to quote you to yourself.

sc42 wrote:

Whenever you post, two things are assured:

1. You will call anyone who respects Galen Rupp a 'fanboy'. I am 51 years old and have two kids. Stop it.

Well, I can't recall calling you a fanboy. Regardless, being 51 and having kids doesn't exempt one from being a fanboy. Not being a fanboy does.

sc42 wrote:

2. You will concoct some byzantine argument to suggest that despite being a multiple AR holder, Olympic medalist and sub-13-sub-27 guy, Rupp is just not very good

WRONG. I have said repeatedly that Rupp is an excellent runner. Here, in case you somehow missed it while apparently paying such close attention to my posts: Rupp is an excellent runner. Got it? Good.

The fact that he is an excellent runner, multiple AR holder, Olympic medalist and sub-13-sub-27 guy etc, does NOT mean that 3:50.9 converts to 3:48.0, that he has 3:28 ability, or any of the other dreck fanboys will post here. Got it? Good.

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:

This was pointed out by canova>god on another thread, and I think given all of the fanboyism going on it's worth addressing.

In spite of all the excitement, 3:50.9 is not as quick as fanboys want it to be. It seems quick because only Americans run it often and the WR and all-time lists are thus relatively weak. It is equivalent to a 3:33.8 1500 - a whopping EIGHT SECONDS from the WR.

It's so not-special that every Olympic gold medalist since 1996 has done it:

3:31i (Haile)

3:32 (Bekele)

3:33 (Farah)

So, the only 10,000 OG winner since 1992 to have been as SLOW as Rupp in the 1500/mile is Farah, who wone the least competitive 10,000 is recent history.

CONTEXT.

This thread is an absolute joke on its face. While it seems the intent of this thread is yet another attempt to knock Rupp you actually have done quite the opposite. Now the comparisons are being made to Geb, Bekele & Farah to somehow denigrate Rupp!

These are three very accomplished athletes and 2 that are already regarded as among the greatest of all time. For Rupp to be mentioned in the same breath with these people I am sure is MORE than satisfying to him and Salazar.

If you have to use these athletes to try and prove your point, your point is pretty lame.

if you figure from 1984 forward, average 1500 capability for the 5000m champ is closer to 3:30+. 10000m champ, something closer to 3:31

so we're talking three decades now of needing 3:48 mile capability just to win gold in the distance events.

To everyone who sees this mile optomistically and are looking forward to THE future of American distance running, please ignore the following statement.

Rupp haters need to hop on the bandwaggon and stop being so god damn negative. This run was done IN JANUARY...us rupp "fanboys" don't think he is the next best miler or bekele or geb...BUT HE'S SHOWING A LOT OF F***ING POTENTIAL. People who post this stuff are the reason I can't stand the let's run community. The same type of people who are also saying "Flotrack sucks let's run rules". You are the reason this sport hasn't grown.

Sac wrote:

To everyone who sees this mile optomistically and are looking forward to THE future of American distance running, please ignore the following statement.

Rupp haters need to hop on the bandwaggon and stop being so god damn negative. This run was done IN JANUARY...us rupp "fanboys" don't think he is the next best miler or bekele or geb...BUT HE'S SHOWING A LOT OF F***ING POTENTIAL. People who post this stuff are the reason I can't stand the let's run community. The same type of people who are also saying "Flotrack sucks let's run rules". You are the reason this sport hasn't grown.

Well said! I rarely come to these boards anymore because the idiots run the asylum. Between the "haters" and those who continually accuse others of drug use without proof. All Rupp has done is become a promising American runner to being an elite runner at the world level. If you have to make a "point" by trying to now compare him with the Gebs and Bekele's of the world, what is that saying?

dsrunner wrote:

if you figure from 1984 forward, average 1500 capability for the 5000m champ is closer to 3:30+. 10000m champ, something closer to 3:31

so we're talking three decades now of needing 3:48 mile capability just to win gold in the distance events.

Thank you. Someone who gets it.

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:

The fact that he is an excellent runner, multiple AR holder, Olympic medalist and sub-13-sub-27 guy etc, does NOT mean that 3:50.9 converts to 3:48.0, that he has 3:28 ability, or any of the other dreck fanboys will post here. Got it? Good.

Has anyone actually posted that? I have never seen one mention of that on this thread. It's mostly just come off as you bashing Rupp and anyone who likes the guy and was impressed with his race. I say this as someone who is not a fan of Rupp but is even less of a fan of you.

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:

The fact that he is an excellent runner, multiple AR holder, Olympic medalist and sub-13-sub-27 guy etc, does NOT mean that 3:50.9 converts to 3:48.0, that he has 3:28 ability, or any of the other dreck fanboys will post here. Got it? Good.

Dennis Reynolds wrote:

Has anyone actually posted that? I have never seen one mention of that on this thread. It's mostly just come off as you bashing Rupp and anyone who likes the guy and was impressed with his race. I say this as someone who is not a fan of Rupp but is even less of a fan of you.

1. Yes, they have. Other threads. Look for yourself and stop asking stupid questions.

2. I am not bashing Rupp. I am putting his ability in context: He is an amazing runner, and if he continues his improvement may get to the range of a Geb, KB or Rupp. But talking about 3:28/3:48 or a 10,000 WR is putting him in an unrealistic strata.

3. My goal in posting facts that are predictably unpopular among fanboys is of course to collect "fans," so you will imagine my sadness not to have won you over, Dennis.

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:

This was pointed out by canova>god on another thread, and I think given all of the fanboyism going on it's worth addressing.

In spite of all the excitement, 3:50.9 is not as quick as fanboys want it to be. It seems quick because only Americans run it often and the WR and all-time lists are thus relatively weak. It is equivalent to a 3:33.8 1500 - a whopping EIGHT SECONDS from the WR.

It's so not-special that every Olympic gold medalist since 1996 has done it:

3:31i (Haile)

3:32 (Bekele)

3:33 (Farah)

So, the only 10,000 OG winner since 1992 to have been as SLOW as Rupp in the 1500/mile is Farah, who wone the least competitive 10,000 is recent history.

CONTEXT.

Dummy.

1) Those are outdoor times you listed for Bekele and Farah. Not only is indoor slower, especially for an event like the mile, but NO professional peaks indoors intentionally. And when you're at that level, peaking makes a huge difference.

2) You're doctoring and exaggerating the numbers to meet your misguided desire to be the "dramatic realist." No one appreciates that. For example, the 1500 WR is 3:26, not 2:25. Rupp's indoor mile is 7 seconds off the outdoor WR, which only 1 other person in history has come even close to.

3) To even be within striking range of Bekele and Haile at the mile says a tremendous amount. They are the 2 greatest 10k runners in the history of the human race. Even if everything you were saying was accurate...you're just backing up the fact that Rupp is in elite company.

4) This last Olympic 10k contained the reigning champion from 2004 and 2008, the defending world champion from 2011 and the world leader from 2011, T. Bekele, Gebremarian, Masai, Tadese....the best 6 guys from Ethiopia and Kenya toed the line, and Rupp beat them all. Rupp-Farah isn't Tergat-Geb, but this was NOT a weak field.

5) Chill, brah.

Troll thread

haters gonna hate, ruppsters gonna rupp

Seen this show a long time ago.........Rod Dixon.

The reason the 10K was weak this year was because the Kenyans and Ethiopians weren't doped and everyone was running clean.

CONTEXT

redux wrote:

The reason the 10K was weak this year was because the Kenyans and Ethiopians weren't doped and everyone was running clean.

CONTEXT

It was a tactical race that produced a slow winning time, but I really do not see why anyone would call it a weak field. The number of sub 27, sub 13, sub 60 guys running now is ridiculous. Look at the Paris 5000 and explain how you conclude that 5k/10k running is globally weak. ??

a_salazar wrote:

haters gonna hate, ruppsters gonna rupp

Everyone was a RUPPSTER that last 150 meters.

This place was nutts.

sdhasdhjhsdj, thanks for your fantastic post.

Every time I'm ready to give up on this message board I find a gold nugget.

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:

dsrunner wrote:

if you figure from 1984 forward, average 1500 capability for the 5000m champ is closer to 3:30+. 10000m champ, something closer to 3:31

so we're talking three decades now of needing 3:48 mile capability just to win gold in the distance events.

Thank you. Someone who gets it.

This may be the most self-defeating thread ever. I can't tell if RCS is serious but watching him get refuted is funny. Rupp ran a fast indoor mile (someone suggested outdoors could be faster - outrageous!) and got a silver. No one said he is better than Bekele orGeb but he is close to Mo. Also, have any 10000 runners run a 3:31/3:50 mile in the last 5-6 years?

As noted above, the OG field was deep. Bekele is not what he was and Rupp beat many sub 27 runners. I hope he continues to have success and improves by a few seconds this year.

I just saw that RCS has another thread about Rupp doping. So 1. Rupp is not that awesome because KB is past his prime

2. He is so good he must be doping because, you know, he beat KB.