Last three Olympic champions better milers than Rupp

I guess you are right considering Rupp is the only running indoors right now.

That's it friend, EXCELLENT DEDUCTION!

lada wrote:

Consider sticking to the facts. The indoor 1500 record is 3:31.18. A 3:33.8 would put him 6th all time and yet he had 109 metres to go.

His 1500 split wasn't 3:33.8 -- that's what his mile time converts to using the standard divide-by-1.08 factor. But I'm glad you pointed out how scurrilous and desperate this idiot has become. He's taking on an impossible task in trying to shit on Rupp's performance, and that's despite the fact that a lot of people here like to root against Rupp on this board, saturated as it is by trolls, dullards and haters of all sorts.

R-C S, you've become a parody of your former self, and that self was already a clown. This can't be fun even for you anymore.

The most significant difference between Rupp and the last 3 Olympic Champions, is that the last 3 Olympic Champions were Olympic Champions.

Canova>God wrote:

No. Farah and Bekele have not raced the indoor 1500/mile enough or focused on it for you to make a statement like that. I think Bekele and Farah could run faster than Rupp in an indoor mile they just have never focused on it like Rupp. Either way your statement is very easy to dispute.

Huh? Rupp "focused" on it? If by "focused" you mean "trained with a guy who's running XC coming off a marathon and another guy who's running a half-marathon, and then racing it a grand total of twice"...

[quote]lada wrote:

Certainly, I agree with your points. My point however is that on the indoor track, Rupp is much faster than Farah & Bekele over the 1500/mile. There is no disputing that.[/q

So What. Bekele and Farah pulled off the 5000m/10000m double olympic gold and Rupp has not. There's no disputing this either. Ha.

The best reference athlete for Rupp is Geb, who raced the 1500 seriously indoors with PB's of 3:31i and 12:37/26:17 outdoors

WOW. GEB DID NOT RUN 12:37/26:17 FOR OUTDOORS. SORRY FOR POSTING TWICE BUT THE IGNORANCE ON THIS BOARD CAN BE ASTOUNDING

Why compare Rupp to Bekele or Geb? Let's compare Rupp to Rupp.

Rupp is now 1 second faster than he was outdoors last year. Let's give him 1 second for the indoor/outdoor conversion. So Rupp is 2 seconds faster at the 1500/mile than he was last year.

Last year he was the 10000m silver medalist in the Olympics. Two years ago, when his 1500/mile PR was much slower, he was a 26:48 10000m guy.

Let's presume that he is still focusing on the 5000/10000.

I would expect that Rupp is much better now at 5000/10000 than the last two years.

Given the opportunity to chase a good time at either distance, I would expect to see Rupp break the outdoor 5000m AR and he surely ought to be in the 26:30s for 10000m

A time of 26:35 would put him at #7 all time and the 11th best performance ever in the 10000m.

A time of 12:50 would put him at #15 all time and the 26th best perfomance ever in the 5000m.

Also, while the gold medalists in the 5000m/10000m generally have an equivalent or faster 1500m time to Rupp's, a time under 3:51 in the mile should erase any doubt that Rupp is a consistent medal contender in either event. Surely mile speed is no longer a serious weaknees in Rupp's resume now.

Let's just be happy that we have an American contender now. A couple decades ago, Bob Kennedy was our only hope and his PRs were 3:38/3:56. The Africans have not gotten much faster since then, but Americans (Rupp) have.

Does it really matter? A US 10km specialist (who is said to be a "true marathoner", whatever the hell that means) runs 3:50 indoors and we're not supposed to be impressed and excited?

I guess I'm also confused as to why it's either LOVE-on the athlete or HATE-on the athlete. Is it possible to RESPECT what the athlete is doing?

Lessee ... Silver 10000m medalists:2000 Paul Tergat 1500 Metres 3:42.3 2004 Sileshi Sihine ?2008 Sileshi Sihine - ?Bronze 10000m medalists2000 Assefa Mezgebu -?2004 Zersenay Tadese - ?2008 Micah Kogo - ?Can't find times for silver and bronze medalists over 1500m. The takeaway seems to be that if you want Olympic 10000m gold, you better double down on your 1500m time.

okkk wrote:

but what about the last three silver medalists?

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:

This was pointed out by canova>god on another thread, and I think given all of the fanboyism going on it's worth addressing.

In spite of all the excitement, 3:50.9 is not as quick as fanboys want it to be. It seems quick because only Americans run it often and the WR and all-time lists are thus relatively weak. It is equivalent to a 3:33.8 1500 - a whopping EIGHT SECONDS from the WR.

It's so not-special that every Olympic gold medalist since 1996 has done it:

3:31i (Haile)

3:32 (Bekele)

3:33 (Farah)

So, the only 10,000 OG winner since 1992 to have been as SLOW as Rupp in the 1500/mile is Farah, who wone the least competitive 10,000 is recent history.

CONTEXT.

Man are you F$cking stupid.......or hate Rupp. Or both.

Yes, CONTEXT!

Rupp never won a gold. Rupp's equivalent is 2.6 SECONDS off the WR for the INDOOR 1500....which is where he ran, indoors.

CONTEXT

A Duck wrote:

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No argument, as usual, fanboy?

Why don't yuo call some names? That's your uaul strategy.

lada wrote:

Farah ran a 3:39, one year ago yesterday, Kenny has no 1500 runs at all though his outdoor best is 3:32 (his indoor mile best is 4:01). Please dispute this, I'd really enjoy reading how you will do it.

Um, pretty easy. Farah's 3:39 1500 was in a tactical RACE, while Rupp's 3:50 mile was a paced-to-the-bell (1209) made-for-Rupp time trial. Very Rupp-certifed.

When Farah and Rupp actually raced 1500, you do know who won, right? Right? Because you should if you're going to say Rupp's faster. (Hint: it wasn't Rupp, and it wasn't even close.)

KB's 3:32.3 is over 1.5s faster than Rupp's mile converts to.

I don't think there's much else to say here. EVEN WITH RUPP'S MASSIVE IMPROVEMENTS, he is still not on the level of any Olympic champion in the modern era of the 10,000.

wtfunny wrote:

Seriously - 3 of the best, if not the 3 best, distance runners in how long? Sitting on their heels isn't too shabby.

Nobody said it was shabby.

I am saying he is not yet in their class. I hope he gets there, but unlike the fanboys I'm not pretending 3:33.8 means all that much in the 1500.

Canova>God wrote:

To those who still doubt that he has sub 50 second 400m speed do you still stand behind that?

Are you joking? Of course he doesn't have 49.x 400 speed. Saying so is even more nonsensical than saying he would have done 3:48 outdoors on Saturday.

Here is how Rupp's time (converted to 1500m) compares to all the medalists in the 5000m/10000m going back to 1992:

Name/1500mPR/Olympic Performance/3000m PR/5000m PR/10000m PR

Hicham El Guerrouj 3:26.00 2 x Gold, 1 x Silver 3000m = 7:23.09, 5000m = 12:50.24, 10000m = No time

Venuste Niyongabo 3:29.18 1 x Gold 3000m = 7:34.03, 5000m = 13:03.29, 10000m = No time

Ali Saidi-Sief 3:29.51 1 x Silver 3000m = 7:25.02, 5000m = 12:50.86, 10000m = No time

Haile Gebrselassie 3:31.76i 2 x Gold 3000m = 7:25.09, 5000m = 12:39.36, 10000m = 26:22.75

Paul Bitok 3:31.96 2 x Silver 3000m = 7:28.41, 5000m = 12:58.94, 10000m = 28:51.6h

Kenenisa Bekele 3:32.35 3 x Gold, 1 x Silver 3000m = 7:25.79, 5000m, = 12:37.35, 10000m = 26:17.53

Eliud Kipchoge 3:33.20 1 x Silver, 1 x Bronze 3000m = 7:27.66, 5000m = 12:46.53, 10000m = 26:49.02

Dieter Baumann 3:33.51 1 x Gold 3000m = 7:30.50, 5000m = 12:54.70, 10000m = 27:21.53

Galen Rupp 3:33.81i+ 1 x Silver 3000m = 7:33.43i+, 5000m = 12:58.90, 10000m = 26:48.00

Mo Farah 3:33.98 2 x Gold 3000m = 7:34.47i, 5000m = 12:53.11, 10000m = 26:46.57

Salah Hissou 3:35.31+ 1 x Bronze 3000m = 7:28.93, 5000m = 12:50.80, 10000m = 26:38.08

Fita Bayissa 3:35.35 1 x Bronze 3000m = 7:35.32, 5000m = 13:05.40, 10000m = 27:14.26

Tariku Bekele 3:37.26 1 x Bronze 3000m = 7:28.70, 5000m = 12:52.45, 10000m = 27:03.24

Khalid Skah 3:38.10 1 x Gold 3000m = 7:37.76, 5000m = 13:00.54, 10000m = 27:14.53

Million Wolde 3:39.15 1 x Gold 3000m = 7:32.36, 5000m = 12:59.39, 10000m = No time

Thomas Longosiwa 3:41.0h 1 x Bronze 3000m = 7:30.09, 5000m = 12:49.04, 10000m = 28:11.3h

Edwin Soi 3:44.76 1 x Bronze 3000m = 7:27.55, 5000m = 12:52.40, 10000m = 27:14.83

Micah Kogo 3:48.2h 1 x Bronze 3000m = 7:38.67, 5000m = 13:00.77, 10000m = No time

Dejen Gebremeskel No time 1 x Silver 3000m = 7:34.14i, 5000m = 12:46.81, 10000m = No time

Sileshi Sihine No time 2 x Silver 3000m = 7:29.92, 5000m = 12:47.04, 10000m = 26:39.69

Zersenay Tadesse No time 1 x Bronze 3000m = 7:39.93, 5000m = 12:59.27, 10000m = 26:37.25

Brahim Lahlafi No time 1 x Bronze 3000m = 7:28.94, 5000m = 12:49.28, 10000m = 27:43.05

Paul Tergat No time 2 x Silver 3000m = 7:28.70, 5000m = 12:49.87, 10000m = 26:27.85

Assefa Mezgebu No time 1 x Bronze 3000m = 7:28.45, 5000m = 12:53.84, 10000m = 26:49.90

Khalid Boulami No time 1 x Bronze 3000m = 7:30.99, 5000m = 12:53.41, 10000m = 28:48.43

Richard Chelimo No time 1 x Silver 3000m = 7:41.63, 5000m = 13:05.14, 10000m = 27:07.91

Addis Abebe No time 1 x Bronze 3000m = No time, 5000m = 13:17.61, 10000m = 27:17.82

Sorry I tried to format it so the columns lined up but it didn't work.

Here is what I noticed.

1. With the exception of Haile, everyone ahead of him on the list ran their 1500m PR outdoors.

2. Nearly everyone ahead of him on the combined 1500/Mile list was a multiple Olympic medalist. The exceptions were Niyangabo (generally a 1500m specialist), Baumann (4th at the 5000m in his subsequent Olympics), and Sief (egregious drug cheat).

3. Everyone ahead of him on the 1500/Mile list was well under 7:30 for 3000m except Niyangabo (who rarely ran above 1500m) and Baumann. All of the people ahead of him ran their 3000m PR outdoors.

4. 10 of the 18 people behind him on the 1500/Mile list have a faster 3000m PR.

5. Rupp is now officially faster than Farah at both 1500m and 3000m.

6. Everyone ahead of him except Bitok and Niyangabo were significantly faster at 5000m. 11 of the 18 people behind him were faster at 5000m.

Conclusion #1: Galen is in good company. I'd predict him to break 7:30 for 3000m. He has a good shot at the AR in 3000m, 2 mile, 5000m, 10000m, and half marathon

Conclusion #2: Rupp does not need to get any better. If he can maintain his level for a few years he will win a lot of races and pick up some more medals. If he gets any better than he is now, he will be in seriously rarified air.

Interesting question: Does anyone think Rupp could break the 2000m AR? The record is 4:52.44 by Jim Spivey. If Rupp could manage to consolidate the records from 2000m to 10000m, he would be the first to do so since Steve Prefontaine.

A Duck wrote:

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Fanboy! No argument, as usual?

Why don't you call some names? That's your uaul strategy.

Bros.... Everyone needs to lay back, crank up the Nickelback, and relax. It is part of Alberto's training regiment, that's why he has a Gold, Silver, and 4th in London!

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