Geoff Kipsang a threat to 10k WR ???

There is no indication that he can run close to the WR

ventolin^3 wrote:

eh ???

to win by a ~ minute meant he damn well pushed it hard long way out & no one coud keep up

he destroyed a top class field by biggest margin i can recall

get a clue

I think you're right that G Kipsang is a massive talent with something special to deliver in the 10k. This result shows great things, but tempered by a couple of things...

1. It's entirely possible Kipsang tapered a bit for it. In terms of getting good representation, meet entries etc, he has much more to gain by taking some scalps than G Mutai, who really just needs to be solid and use it as a training run.

2. In a phrase, funny things happen in cross-country. Unheralded runners take an early lead, the big boys think they'll reel them in and don't follow, and 30 minutes later everyone is scratching their head. I didn't see the race and don't know that anyone in the field could have stayed with him, but I'd be shocked if he takes another 1:00+ win in a 12k now that people are watching.

Good catch on this race!

douglas burke wrote:

he ran phenomenal, with the 10000 world record the only place to try for it is brussells in 9 months on september 7th or hengelo in may, unless he wants to run a world record pace solo at worlds to get away from farah and rupps kick.

Adverbs wrote:

* phenomenally

*wasting space

Agreed. Massive talent, but margin of victory might not be representative of the true gap between him and Mutai. We'll see.Here he is by the way - coached by Patrick Sang:http://vimeo.com/41699142

fhb wrote:

Why do you wonder so much? Seems like a quick answer would be that those guys had better training and development. Is that answer not satisfactory enough?

Agreed.

Why should we question people like Wang Junxia, El G, or Komen?

Just because they shattered the world record at the height of the undetectable EPO era?

Did they EVER test positive?

No, they've passed over 500 drug tests.

They were out there on the roads or in the gym or on the track 6 hours a day busting their asses.

right Livestrong

idiot

that was against a bunch of guys who weren't any better than 28'23 for 10k at the time & it was a 8k race - 10k ability more relevant

this was a run against guys who actually have gone sub-27 in the past ( kipyego & rotich at 26'43 ) & lost by 2'03 at 12k to a guy who likely is by far the current best kenyan 10k guy

12k - a distance 4 times longer than one he woud consider for any track distance

he also clocked same as lucas who has a 26'43pb & ran 27'09 last year in a tactical race for 6th in kenyan eugene trials

it was by far his best endurance run

never one this quality over 12k

moron

you don't know better than canova who has watched him train & talks to his coach

he stated his endurance work was lacking as he eschewed the hard long runs needed to maximise his potential

a 7'42pb, even though it is 4y ole doesn't show great endurance when guys like hicham/morceli/aouita/sief, all sub-3'30 guys have gone below 7'30

his endurance has been poor

moron

hicham ran 3'31.18i wr in '97

was 3'31.18 his best clocking in '97 ???

yyy wrote:if he had that kind of potential he wou(l)d have run sub 7:20

anytime. He contested regularly over 3000m and his best is 7:24 if my memory serves me correctly.

Ha!

yes

he wouda gone ~ 7'20

his pb is 7'25 & again it was pacer's failing to deliver anything close to 4'54/4'55 let alone 4'53

the pacer dropped out at just 1600m & was ~ 4'00 at that point - 7'30 pace ( 5'00 split pace )

he coud only get 4'59 split - 4 to 5s shy of what he wouda been expecting

he has run 4'49i wr, so it's not as if he'd have any problem with 4'54/4'55

jjiofjijf wrote:Ventolin is a nutter. He thinks that Farah and Rupp have the same sprint speed, as though all runners with similar 10k potential have the same amount of fast twitch.

idiot

i have never said that

i believe mo has low/mid-51 ( we have a 12.9 100m vid ) & rupp high-51/52-flat when both at their peaks

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:1. It's entirely possible Kipsang tapered a bit for it. In terms of getting good representation, meet entries etc, he has much more to gain by taking some scalps than G Mutai, who really just needs to be solid and use it as a training run.

still

it was his 1st race since september

he'd expect better in future races you'd imagine

unfounded speculation as usual.

idiot

it is likely on balance of probabilities

no one has ever run their best race of year in mid-january

Salazar has said that Rupp is actually quicker than Farah at sprinting. On the evidence of the two videos of both of them sprinting I would agree as well. Rupp clearly has quicker turnover and wouldn't be surprised at all if he'd beat Farah fairly easily in a flat out 400m race. Big difference between a fresh 400m and a 400m after 9600m of running at 27:15 pace.

ventolin^3 wrote:

jjiofjijf wrote:Ventolin is a nutter. He thinks that Farah and Rupp have the same sprint speed, as though all runners with similar 10k potential have the same amount of fast twitch.

idiot

i have never said that

i believe mo has low/mid-51 ( we have a 12.9 100m vid ) & rupp high-51/52-flat when both at their peaks

london 10k had derisory pace to bell

rupp with 26'48 ability shouda been able to bring virtually all his 400 sprint to it ( as woud mo )

to lose it doesn't indicate he has better 400 ability than mo

If only it was so simple. Also, I'm fairly sure I recall Rupp running everyone down in the last 80m, he was clearly travelling the fastest of all. It was because he didn't go early enough that he 'only' got second. Maybe lack of confidence/too much respect for Mo but Rupp was definitely running him down.

Rupp Faster wrote:

Rupp clearly has quicker turnover and wouldn't be surprised at all if he'd beat Farah fairly easily in a flat out 400m race.

"Easily"?

You are a clown.

ventolin^3 wrote:

no one has ever run their best race of year in mid-january

Of course they have. You manifest astounding stupidity once again.

Vento' is the most knowledgeable guy on LR. Together with his calculator, he provides the best predictions here.

jonesy johnson wrote:

ventolin^3 wrote:

no one has ever run their best race of year in mid-january

Of course they have. You manifest astounding stupidity once again.

You sound stupid yourself for not actually listing examples of your point