New rules for Divisions in Ohio HS CC

My girls team will move up to Division II since we have 78 more boys than girls...It is not fair to my athletes or their parents. Each school should have a coach to represent each team so this would not be a problem...

Old track coach, it's merely different. That doesn't mean it's unfair. Stop whining. You're pathetic.

[quote]old track coach wrote:

My girls team will move up to Division II since we have 78 more boys than girls...quote]

You must not be using the enrollment figures that are posted on the OHSAA site because there are NO teams that match that descrption.

The numbers are VERY interesting to peruse.

Three teams right together alphabetically are

Portsmouth.........Boys D2...Girls D3

Portsmouth West....Boys D3...Girls D2

Preble Shawnee 176 Boys D3...176 Girls D2

The new system will be MUCH better.

Glad I'm from Indiana - No divisions, one State Meet.

Simple, and certainly on an individual basis, quite fair. I understand the argument a little about small school teams, hard to get the numbers to field competitive teams compared to the big schools.

If you qualify for the Indiana State Meet - as a team or individual - it means something significant, which is the way it should be.

Yep your right, with education funding being cut drastically across the country Ohio should make sure they force each school to have 2 cross country coaches.

I feel sorry for your team cause your a joke. Every time you do badly I bet you blame the system.

Ahh yes.. everybody gets a trophy.

Just have every school get a "You're A State Champion in Your Own Personal Division" trophy.

How much does it cost for an asistant coach at your school?

I am sure the team can raise the moeny if the school can't afford $1,000 or so...

If all sports were forced to do this.. not a problem...My problem is they are only appling this rule to one sport

old track coach wrote:

My girls team will move up to Division II since we have 78 more boys than girls...It is not fair to my athletes or their parents. Each school should have a coach to represent each team so this would not be a problem...

Your division should be based on your school size not how many of each gender. That saves the school money and makes it easy to classify everything. Anything else is just a lot of whining.

Your one and only good point is that Cross Country is the only sport being forced to do this. I can understand your frustration with that. Every sports classification should be based on the size of the school period. That is something to be mad at.

But the whining about gender classification is just stupid and makes you look very silly. What you are truly mad at is that you have to run in a harder classification. If anything this will make your athletes train harder and get better.

When immature 12-year-olds cry that something is "unfair", I tell them that what they really mean us "I don't like it". Same goes for many others who are older than that, even if they don't act it.

Life is not fair, and distance running teaches you this very well. There are runners whose God-given talent make them unbeatable by 95% of other high schoolers but we don't require a separate division for them. Teach your kids how to negotiate their way through an inherently unfair world with dignity by doing the same.

BTW, there are schools in this state that have one coach for boys and girls, grades 7-12. It's not limited to them, either. I coach at a school of 1400 kids and two years ago I coached both boys and girls--it was the first year we had a team after some sports, XC included, had been eliminated a few years prior. Anything we can do to make it less appealing fir a school district to kill off XC is good for us all, even if it's inconvenient for a few.

Indoor? are you from OHIO and do you coach high school cross??

Just one example of what is going to happen....

Brenda Murray speaking today at the at the OATCCC Clinic on OHSAA Divisional Formats said based on this year’s number 33 girls teams will move from Division II to Division I next year with the combine numbers!? How many other school will be affected?!?

I am amazed that you still think you have a significant point to make.

Some teams will move up. Some will move down. Some will be in a more competitive situation. Some will be in a less competitive situation. As with any meaningful rule change, there is an impact on the competitive landscape. Because something is different than how it's been doesn't mean it's unfair. Jsquire is exactly right. You don't like the change and call it unfair, but that doesn't make it so.

Please stop your childish whining. It doesn't accomplish anything and is simply annoying.

The Division I boy’s winners from this year will likely move down to Division II…. How is this fair for the Division II teams?

The reason given for this (even though the coaches were against it) was so one coach can watch both teams run. Perhaps someone should make it a Title IX issue …why don’t schools have an assistant coach so they can go with the girl’s team or boy’s team if they are not at the same site....

Another reason give was to save on transportation cost in case the teams go to different sites.

How much money is spent to send other teams i.e. soccer to go to different places…If money is such an issue perhaps they can cut out one away game for softball, baseball, soccer and so forth?

If this rule applied to all sports.... not an issue…but to just apply to one sport is not fair in my minds.

I coach cc, I help pay for an assistant coach and I have a volunteer coach so it is not a problem for me…This is not fair to apply it to one sport so one coach can watch a race.

buckeye nutter wrote:

How can a school not have at least two coaches with one being at least an assistant in charge of the other team (boys or girls) ...To my knowledge no one runs it as a co-ed sport it is 2 different sports!

You must not pay much attention or get out much. There are hundreds of HSs in Ohio with less than 400 kids in them, most of which have one coach for cc. Many times that same oath also coaches the MS teams.

I haven't read this entire thread but this is how it is in ca.

Three divisions for track though? Kinda waters down the state track meet no?

One coach for two teams doesn't make it right....

Ohio coaches are not allowed to coach high school and jr high athletes during the same practice...

Ohio has 7 division in football for fewer teams than boy's track and field which only has 3 divisions..