New rules for Divisions in Ohio HS CC

So what if a school has 50-150 more of one sex than the other - forcing the sex with the lower number to move up - is this fair to the sex with the much lower number??

After reading the whole thread I'm trying to understand what the complaining is about.

It seems like a lot of whining going out about nothing. Most states don't break anything down by gender. Its all about your school size and that is what decides what division you are in. Join the rest of the county.

I can understand being mad about the others sports not having to follow the same rule but geezzz the other stuff is just silly.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm wrote:

After reading the whole thread I'm trying to understand what the complaining is about.

It seems like a lot of whining going out about nothing. Most states don't break anything down by gender. Its all about your school size and that is what decides what division you are in. Join the rest of the county.

I can understand being mad about the others sports not having to follow the same rule but geezzz the other stuff is just silly.

Wow bad typos

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county=country

If you don't stand up for your sport what do you stand up for?!

old track coach wrote:

If you don't stand up for your sport what do you stand up for?!

But complaining that both boys and girls are counted in the classification procedure isn't standing up for your sport... it just makes sense, which is why there are probably less than 5 states remaining that still use a split-gender classification system (though the only one I know off the top of my head is Connecticut, but I'm pretty sure there was at least 1 or 2 more).

old track coach wrote:

If you don't stand up for your sport what do you stand up for?!

How is this standing up for your sport?

It's a lot of whinning about nothing. you just don't want to race in a harder division

Because it is the only sport in Ohio where this rule is being applied. If they did it for all sports maybe it is then fair.

How is it fair for a school which has 50-150 more of one sex forcing the other sex to compete at the higher division when they are not doing it for any other sport in the State of Ohio?

I hope this helps you understand my position...

It is call Fairness....

And standing up for your sport.....

Then I suppose you would be on board with holding the State Championship for boys and girls at different sites or at least on different days, them being different sports and all...

Too many Ohio coaches whine about making any change as if past practices were perfect practices and are unable to see any viewpoint but their own. Old track coach you are the poster child for such an animal.

watchout wrote:

They produced a national champion this year. Seems like that would be something to talk about...

Back in the day, we used to churn out national champs like turds.

"The Board approved a recommendation from an OHSAA committee to change the divisional tournament assignment process for cross country so that a school’s girls and boys teams will be in the same division. Beginning in fall 2013, the girls and boys enrollments will be added together and divided in half in order to determine the enrollment number (and subsequent tournament division) for that school in cross country. Currently, divisional alignment is determined separately for girls and boys, and over 50 schools are affected by having their girls and boys teams in different divisions. Even if they are in the same division, an additional 50-plus schools could have their girls and boys qualify to different regional tournaments (the change would ensure that girls and boys teams that are currently in the same division from the same school would be assigned to the same regional site)."

So let me get this straight, Ohio runs their championship meets at different sites for boys and girls? That seems to be the bigger issue more so than numbers. Across the border in PA we classify separately by sex but each sex of a District runs at the same course over the course of a day and the same with the State meet. If it's making sure coaches/spectators can be at the same place, plus save school districts money on transportation costs, really the only thing one needs to do is make sure the meets are in the same spot, right?

Why are some assuming that teams will move up. The larger gender may very well move down.

audax, At the regional level and in some cases district level, different divisions run at different sites, somethimes 2-3 hours away. The state championship is run at one site, but currently, there are some schools in which boys and girls are scheduled hours apart because they are different divisions. This change would alleviate that dilemma for a single coach for both genders which are in a huge majority in Ohio.

Anyone grumbling about this are concerned with their own situation only and not seeing the big picture.

The OHSAA recommends cross country have two coaches....either another head coach or an assistant coach.

Just a guess at least 20 teams will move up a division and 20 will move down a division.

Want until a DI team moves down to DII and wins or DII moves down to DIII and wins

That seems crazy to split divisions. School X is in div II in girls Div I boys.. Div III in football...

Just go compete. it's XC, when you race it doesnt matter if the next guy is from a school with 30 people or 3000, you just race.

Lets do the same thing for soccer, basketball, baseball/softball, etc - Let's just play ball...

same sex wrote:

Just a guess at least 20 teams will move up a division and 20 will move down a division.

Want until a DI team moves down to DII and wins or DII moves down to DIII and wins

I went through all the schools and there was only 1 (ONE!)

I repeat 1 (ONE!) school in the WHOLE state that had a substantial difference in boys and girls and was in a different division and that was a school with 294 boys and 468 girls. While the boys will definitely move up, they were still at the high end of Division II and may have even gained enough boys in the new enrollment numbers to move up.

All the other schools that may change divisions either way have ALREADY been right on the line of being in a different division. It makes no sense to have 50 schools in different divisions when they have almost the same amount of students of each sex compared to 1 school with a significant difference that would be bumped up to a tougher division.

Note-Claymont Urichsville has 289 boys and 193 girls but they are already both in DII and will surely stay there when they are combined.

The "old rule" for divisions was one of the most bizarre things I've ever seen. Much easier just to do it by total number of students and have all sports competing in the same division.

lets do the same wrote:

Lets do the same thing for soccer, basketball, baseball/softball, etc - Let's just play ball...

All sports in one school should be in the same division. Dividing it by sex is beyond silly. What's next, by race? Or by average household income?

"And next we have the White Girls that come from schools with 1000-1200 female students and have a household income between $50,000-$75,000 per year Race! After that...."

Please look again....There is more than one school which has 75 or more of one sex over the other sex and many of them will move up or down.