shipsy wrote:
Sure. The central governor theory explains why coaches like you continuous mess athletes up. It is because you don't understand the body as a holistic system so you mistrain athletes and end their enjoyment of running early. The central governor theory practically applied states that the systems of the body must be kept in balance. If not, then the retarding quality, the quality ignored or insufficiently attended to in the training, starts to retard the other qualities. ie Snell without aerobic capacity would not be Snell at all. Simply put, you can't stretch one quality too far from your comfort zone without developing the others in balance. The qualities that are insufficient literally hold back the qualities that are well developed from developing further. It's all elastic. The stretch factor stops the high qualities from being developed too far ahead of the low qualities.
Let´s see how you are wrong. Holism is a beautiful concept, but it´s just an utopia, something with no real sustain. Besides from scientific point all the physiology as all the scientific method is made by mind discrimination and not holism. All rationale of the mind is discrimination and not separates the hole in parts; isolate it, to better materialistic knowledge.
The part of your last post reply to me that is the part i quote and include in this my post, is the prove of what i say, and your prove of incapacity of get one materialist trustful prove of how works the Noakes theory.
Fist you mean about Holism. But right in the next sentence you say "...The central governor theory practically applied states that the systems of the body must be kept in balance. If not, then the retarding quality, the quality ignored or insufficiently attended to in the training, starts to retard the other qualities"
The systems of the body ? ? ? What are the systems and what are the qualities ? The quality ? What qualities ? ? ? Balance… but what balance ? What is the kind balance from the cardio-vascular system to the neurologic system, to the other body systems and organ ? Do you know in what percent that works from one kind of training different from other training method by holism or by the Central Governor ?
Do you know anything from that theories that I don´t know ? What is what you know from holism that I don´t know or I don´t understand that relates to the training methodology. For instance ,do pretend that you know what ´s the effect of the Lydiard typical long runs that benefits the most of the Olympic 800m winners and 800m world recordists when we know that they did what they did when we know that the percent of them did what they did without include long runs in their training programs. What you know about the central Governor that promotes performance enhance ?
Right after you appeal to holism, you separate by discrimination the body qualities. If it´s holism, ther´s no body division. You see, the mind is dualist. Therefore to speak about the hole, it´s ther´s the opposite of the hole, the parts. The Central Governor if seen as body quality, physical, psychological or extra-sensorial, there is just part of the hole, not the hole, that´s why your conclusion and interpretation is fallacious. As you might know when Noakes started the hypothesis about the Central Governor theory , the start point was mainly because the deficiency of scientific knowledge to prove the rationale why someone does a better run distance ability/talent (or worst ability talent). It´s not me that says it, it was Noakes. Therefore he doesn´t search in on one holistic quality, he did search in different physical systems to get the conclusion ther´s no way to a certain extend and with rational science to know the reason why someone runs faster than other one runner. He also tried to search for the reason of ability in one training method, several training methods, in several training system. Lydiard he doesn´t think that Lydiard does due to the limited success of that method in the lst decades related to the number of runners that did train the Lydiard way. Then he tried in Sebastian Coe, the world top class Africans, but he couldn´t find no rational or scientific reason.
There he did invent a beautiful theory without perceptional or rational formulation because it´s just an hypothesis. No lab, no branch of science could support his theory, validate his hypothesis, of an “existence” of the Central Governor. It happens that i as a coach i deal with concrete and materialistic rationale. I´ve see some body organs, i´ve seen some mind operations, i´ve seen how the body systems works, i´ve seen how the human body reacts to a certain physical stimulus, to a certain pace in the run sport.
And yes I deal wit human relationship and psychology and leadership with the ones I coach.
I know some of the qualities by rationale why one runner did produce one kind of performance. But i never knew how the Central Governor works. It works by Holism ? But how that works effectively ? Where is in the human brain in the biology located the Central Governor ? We know something about the human brain, how it works what´s the part of the human body that determines the quality of the Central Governor
I don´t know and no one knows. I can know by the use of paraphernalia what´s the value and i can determine with some accuracy what´s VO2max, of one runner, what´s lactate concentration of one runner related to other. To what level that influences or don´t the capacity to perform or if it got some interest to train and enhance that runner characteristic is another issue of debate. What is the better training to able so it´s another issue of debate. There what´s no one knows that is what´s the figure of the central Governor of one individual and the figure of another. NO one will put that in numbers, because it´s just a mere hypothesis and a mere speculation that the refugee is the beautiful word and concept of holism. Holism is as extraterrestrial beings, some say that does exist and saw them, some that don´t, but no one yet could show to the community the existence of that extra terrestrial beings. Training is not an art or philosophy, training from that perspective of prove it´s a science and a methodology, and no one could prove the existence to the community, to our dualist scientific mind. No one could prove the existence of the Central Governor as a evidence, might be you name it with beautiful names, or you don´t. It´s still speculation. The science is made by hypothesis > demonstration/experiment > and finally thesis. the central Governor is nothing but just an hypothesis without demonstration and less with thesis.
About your ask about my coach credentials, i´m waiting for your email to send you my documentation. My emails are
antonio.cabral@ine.ptor
coach2run@gmail.comI´m waiting for the demonstration an practical usage of the Central Governor. What is the runner, or the runners that did this performance or that performance that we can with no margin of doubt and speculation understand that by no means what how the Central Governor theory works in the human body.
If you don´t, to link the Central Governor theory to another theory that´s holism is another way to speculate. I want concrete results.
About Lydiard based his training in Central Governor via holism, this is another your fantasy. Some say that Lydiard was a very good coach with a good training method. But to access the central Governor to Lydiard, something that at the time that Lydiard built his raining method didn´t existed, is like to say that he knew the lottery of 2010, when he is no more part of the livings.
I repeat once again. If the Central Governor does exist there one training consequence is that the submaximal runs wouldn´t be of major training interest. Don´t you understand it ? If the Central Governor does exist training would be primarily at your best all flat out pace, because it´s what promotes the hypothetical quality of the Central Governor.
Or do mean about long runs as Central Governor theory ? Long runs are submaximal runs precisely, it´s the opposite of the requirement of training to performance enhance related to the Central Governor theory. It´s you that you seem don´t understand about training methodology.
Fist you mean about Holism. But right in the next sentence you say "...The central governor theory practically applied states that the systems of the body must be kept in balance. If not, then the retarding quality, the quality ignored or insufficiently attended to in the training, starts to retard the other qualities"
The systems of the body ? ? ? What are the systems and what are the qualities ? The quality ? What qualities ? ? ? Right after you apeal to holism, you separate by discrimination body qualities. If it´s holism, ther´s no body division. You see, the mind is dualist. Therefore to speak about the hole, it´s ther´s the opoosite of the hole, teh parts. The Central Governor if seen as body quality, phisical, psychologic or extra-sensorial is just part of the hole, not the hole, that´s why that interpetation is wrong. AS you might know when Noakes started the hypothesis about the theory of the Central Governor, he started becaue the deficiency of sceintific knowledge why someone does a better run distance ability/talent (or worst ability talent). It´s not me that says it, it was Noakes. Therfore he doesn´t search in on one holistic quality, he did search in different physical systems to get the conclsion that ther´s no major logic reason why someone runs faster than other one runner. he also tried to search for the reason of ability in one method, in one training system, bt he couldn´t find no one.
There he did invented a beatuifull theory without perceptional or rational formulation becaue it´+s just an hypothesis. No lab, no branch opf science could suport his theory, the his refugee, was the suposed reason of an existence of Central Governor. It happens that i as a coach i deal with concrete and materialistic rationale. I´ve see some body organs, i´ve seen some mind operations, i´ve seen how the body ststems works, i´ve seen how the human body reacts to a certain sitmulus, to a ertain pace in the run sport. I know some of the qualities by rationale why one runner did produce one kind of performance. But i never knew how the central Governor works. I don´t know and no one knows. I can know by the use of parafernalia what´s the value and i can determine with some accuracy what´s VO2max, of one runner, what´s lactate concentration of one runner related to other. To what level that influences or don´t the capacity to perform or if it got some interest to train and enhance that runner characteristic is another issue of debate. What is the better training to able so it´s another issue of debate. There what´s no one knows that is what´s the figure of the central Governor of one individual and the figure of another. NO one will put that in numbers, because it´s just a mere hypothesys and a mere speculation that the refugee is the beautifull word and concept of holism. Holism is as extraterrestial beings, some say that does exist and saw them, some that don´t, but no one yet could show to the comunity the existence of that extra terrestial beings. Training is not an art or phylosophy, training from that prespective of prove it´s a science and a methodology, and no one could prove the existence to the community, to our dulist scientific mind. No one could prove the existence of the Central Governor as a evidence, might be you name it with beatifull names, or you don´t. It´s still speculation. The science is made by hypothesis > demonstration/experiment > and finaly thesis. the central GOvernor is nothing but just an hypothesis without demosntrationa and less with thesis.
About your ask about my coach credentials, i´m waiting for your email to send you my documentation. My emails ares
antonio.cabral@ine.ptor
coach2run@gmail.comI´m waiting for the demosntration an pratical usage of the Central Governor. What is the runner, or the runners that did thisperfromance or that perfromance that we can undoubtfull understand that by no mean of doubt what he/they did with the Central Governor theory.
If you don´t, to link the Central Governor theory to another theory that´s holism is another way to speculate. I want concrete results.
About Lydiard based his training in Central Governor via holism, this is another your fantasy. Some say that Lydiard was a very good coach with a good training method. But to access the central Governor to Lydiard, something that at the time that Lydiard built his raining method didn´t existed, is like to say that he knew the lottery of 2010, when he is no more part of the livings.
I´m waiting...to your email request. Or you just say absurds and untruth false accusation ? Who is the charlatan ? Who is the one that doesn´t identify himself ?