I was always under the impression that for the most part boxing was real and wrestling is fake but then i heard that there are boxers who throw fights and things. my question is are ALL the boxes fake, or are they just sometimes, i would think that if it were 100% real they wouldn't be wearing gloves but have real fists like raw punches
It's not as fake as pro wrestling (wwe, etc.), but a fair amount of it is staged for dramatization/entertainment purposes. It's all about planting the seed of excitement for the next fight.
WWE UFC MMA are scripted ahead of time by writers and producers.
The Price Is Right, American Idol, are authentic competitions.
Hope this helps.
Lol it'sfake hate to say but any sport beyond ameture is rigged based on Vegas bets. Ie the figer or team that pays out the leaste overall will win. It's vegas people and we all know who Don King was and how he fixed fights. It's just more profit driven now. In all reality the hits a boxer takes are real the blood and bruses are real but the outcome of the fight is fake beyond belief. Been a bookie a long time and been able to see things behind closed doors. Also anyone that wants to say what about how some boxers have died in or after a fight, this was purely and accident. As for mma, ufc and wwe there also fake, however they are true athletes. Trust me it's harder to beat someone up without really hurting them then it is to just through punches till someone flops.
Thats why they wear gloves because they throw real hard punches aqt each other. unlike wwe where most of the punches are fake. they dont wear gloves because they arent in real danger. in boxing they throw real punches and if they dont wear gloves. some one could go into a coma or die.
Ever heard about Ray Mancini v Kim Dok-koo? or more recently what happened to a boxer named Prichard Colon? I can go on and on, but I guess you get the idea.
Sometimes boxers take a "dive", but it is not the norm. If you think it's fake, put some gloves on and give it a try then tell us how fake it is.
Very few fights are fixed. Las Vegas sportsbooks don't know a damn thing and have zero influence. Anyone who proclaims otherwise is a certified wacko. I worked in the sportsbooks as supervisor. We were life and death to have the employees show up on time, and for the odds in the computer to match the odds on the betting board. There were countless mistakes that we caught barely in time that the bettors were never aware of.
Films like Oceans 11 are comedic. The casinos want you to believe they are all knowing and all seeing. The truth of the matter could not be more opposite. The undercover security guys used to tell me all the time that the camera crew sent them on wild goose chases.
It's all about fear. Prevent criminals by scaring them before they make the attempt. If they knew the truth the fright wouldn't be there.
Boxing does have more vulnerability to being fixed due to low number of influencing variables...two fighters, one referee and three judges. Football, in contrast is virtually impossible to manipulate given 22 people on the field at all times. Anyone who proposes a football outcome was manipulated truly deserves a spot in the looney bin. Basketball with only 5 guys on the floor for each team is less susceptible than boxing but still doable, which is why there have been some high profile examples.
During my years in Las Vegas I saw first hand the Tulane scandal in 1985 and Arizona State in 1994. In 1985 I had been in town only one year. A very well dressed guy sat down next to me at Caesar's Palace with a briefcase on his lap. We had never seen him before. He looked completely out of place. All he cared about was the Memphis/Tulane game. I bet Memphis in that game, giving -5.5 on the road. Keep in mind there were very few scores provided in those years. The large sports ticker in each sportsbook gave only one score at the midway point of the first half, then the halftime score, then midway second half, and then final. So if the game wasn't televised you had very little idea about changing momentum.
This guy said he needed Memphis also. When they were down midway through the first half he was shaking and mumbling to himself. Then when the halftime score came in he cursed and bolted out of his seat. Memphis was still trailing.
They went on to cover the spread. But when news broke much later about the Tulane fix I was certain that game had to be on the list. It was. And I'm sure that guy had been sent to town to wager large sums on Memphis to cover.
That was unbelievably sophisticated compared to the Arizona State morons in 1994. They were so brazen and stupid they literally didn't try to conceal anything. I'll never forget the Friday night before Arizona State hosted Oregon as 12 point favorites. The Saturday numbers went up on Friday afternoon in that era and many books stayed open all night or at least until midnight to accommodate the early action. I was walking the Strip late at night and suddenly that Arizona State number was bizarre everywhere. It was changing seemingly by the minute, and never the same at any joint. I was walking south to north and it was like 12 at Little Caesar's, then 11 at Bally's, 10 at Barbary Coast, 9 at Flamingo Hilton and Imperial Palace, then 8 at Harrah's. I have never seen anything like that, before or since.
Finally I asked my friend Doug at Harrah's what was going on. He was a huge Browns and Buckeyes fan who sadly passed away a few years later. Doug told me that 4 or 5 young guys wearing Arizona State gear were drunk and wagering on Oregon for the limit time after time. They were laughing and really didn't care what he moved the number to. They just wanted Oregon again.
Once that scandal surfaced within weeks, that game was on the list. No kidding. I think Arizona State won by 7 or 8, just under the number.
Ali was yelling at Liston to "get up", mad that Sonny (being in debt to the mob) took a dive so early.
Awsi Dooger wrote:
Very few fights are fixed. Las Vegas sportsbooks don't know a damn thing and have zero influence. Anyone who proclaims otherwise is a certified wacko. I worked in the sportsbooks as supervisor. We were life and death to have the employees show up on time, and for the odds in the computer to match the odds on the betting board. There were countless mistakes that we caught barely in time that the bettors were never aware of.
Films like Oceans 11 are comedic. The casinos want you to believe they are all knowing and all seeing. The truth of the matter could not be more opposite. The undercover security guys used to tell me all the time that the camera crew sent them on wild goose chases.
It's all about fear. Prevent criminals by scaring them before they make the attempt. If they knew the truth the fright wouldn't be there.
Boxing does have more vulnerability to being fixed due to low number of influencing variables...two fighters, one referee and three judges. Football, in contrast is virtually impossible to manipulate given 22 people on the field at all times. Anyone who proposes a football outcome was manipulated truly deserves a spot in the looney bin. Basketball with only 5 guys on the floor for each team is less susceptible than boxing but still doable, which is why there have been some high profile examples.
During my years in Las Vegas I saw first hand the Tulane scandal in 1985 and Arizona State in 1994. In 1985 I had been in town only one year. A very well dressed guy sat down next to me at Caesar's Palace with a briefcase on his lap. We had never seen him before. He looked completely out of place. All he cared about was the Memphis/Tulane game. I bet Memphis in that game, giving -5.5 on the road. Keep in mind there were very few scores provided in those years. The large sports ticker in each sportsbook gave only one score at the midway point of the first half, then the halftime score, then midway second half, and then final. So if the game wasn't televised you had very little idea about changing momentum.
This guy said he needed Memphis also. When they were down midway through the first half he was shaking and mumbling to himself. Then when the halftime score came in he cursed and bolted out of his seat. Memphis was still trailing.
They went on to cover the spread. But when news broke much later about the Tulane fix I was certain that game had to be on the list. It was. And I'm sure that guy had been sent to town to wager large sums on Memphis to cover.
That was unbelievably sophisticated compared to the Arizona State morons in 1994. They were so brazen and stupid they literally didn't try to conceal anything. I'll never forget the Friday night before Arizona State hosted Oregon as 12 point favorites. The Saturday numbers went up on Friday afternoon in that era and many books stayed open all night or at least until midnight to accommodate the early action. I was walking the Strip late at night and suddenly that Arizona State number was bizarre everywhere. It was changing seemingly by the minute, and never the same at any joint. I was walking south to north and it was like 12 at Little Caesar's, then 11 at Bally's, 10 at Barbary Coast, 9 at Flamingo Hilton and Imperial Palace, then 8 at Harrah's. I have never seen anything like that, before or since.
Finally I asked my friend Doug at Harrah's what was going on. He was a huge Browns and Buckeyes fan who sadly passed away a few years later. Doug told me that 4 or 5 young guys wearing Arizona State gear were drunk and wagering on Oregon for the limit time after time. They were laughing and really didn't care what he moved the number to. They just wanted Oregon again.
Once that scandal surfaced within weeks, that game was on the list. No kidding. I think Arizona State won by 7 or 8, just under the number.
Bolded where you're wrong, because Footy has some of the most infamous cases of match fixing out there. MLS is not even close to bad in this regard, but places in Europe (Italy being the high profile example) and parts of the third world are just brutal in regards to match fixing. And yes, it happens on the international stage as well. The other thing is that more often than not, it happens in ways that you would most expect the outcome of the match to be so that no one is questioning the match.
wtf man, like, mum?? wrote:
I was always under the impression that for the most part boxing was real and wrestling is fake but then i heard that there are boxers who throw fights and things. my question is are ALL the boxes fake, or are they just sometimes, i would think that if it were 100% real they wouldn't be wearing gloves but have real fists like raw punches
Wearing gloves allows fighters to throw more punches with less risk of breaking their hands making the matches more exciting generally.
Some boxing fights are fixed although most aren't and even when they are it's nothing like professional wrestling. In professional wrestling the wrestlers are actively working with each other to pull of moves and a lot of the match is scripted by writing teams.
In boxing it's more subtle. When a fight is fixed normally only one of the fighters is in on it and he'll by basically lose by not trying as hard as he could e.g. not trying to get up from a knockdown, going over easy or stop throwing punches after a certain round to force the referee to stop it.
Awsi Dooger wrote:
Very few fights are fixed. Las Vegas sportsbooks don't know a damn thing and have zero influence. Anyone who proclaims otherwise is a certified wacko. I worked in the sportsbooks as supervisor. We were life and death to have the employees show up on time, and for the odds in the computer to match the odds on the betting board. There were countless mistakes that we caught barely in time that the bettors were never aware of.
Films like Oceans 11 are comedic. The casinos want you to believe they are all knowing and all seeing. The truth of the matter could not be more opposite. The undercover security guys used to tell me all the time that the camera crew sent them on wild goose chases.
It's all about fear. Prevent criminals by scaring them before they make the attempt. If they knew the truth the fright wouldn't be there.
Boxing does have more vulnerability to being fixed due to low number of influencing variables...two fighters, one referee and three judges. Football, in contrast is virtually impossible to manipulate given 22 people on the field at all times. Anyone who proposes a football outcome was manipulated truly deserves a spot in the looney bin. Basketball with only 5 guys on the floor for each team is less susceptible than boxing but still doable, which is why there have been some high profile examples.
During my years in Las Vegas I saw first hand the Tulane scandal in 1985 and Arizona State in 1994. In 1985 I had been in town only one year. A very well dressed guy sat down next to me at Caesar's Palace with a briefcase on his lap. We had never seen him before. He looked completely out of place. All he cared about was the Memphis/Tulane game. I bet Memphis in that game, giving -5.5 on the road. Keep in mind there were very few scores provided in those years. The large sports ticker in each sportsbook gave only one score at the midway point of the first half, then the halftime score, then midway second half, and then final. So if the game wasn't televised you had very little idea about changing momentum.
This guy said he needed Memphis also. When they were down midway through the first half he was shaking and mumbling to himself. Then when the halftime score came in he cursed and bolted out of his seat. Memphis was still trailing.
They went on to cover the spread. But when news broke much later about the Tulane fix I was certain that game had to be on the list. It was. And I'm sure that guy had been sent to town to wager large sums on Memphis to cover.
That was unbelievably sophisticated compared to the Arizona State morons in 1994. They were so brazen and stupid they literally didn't try to conceal anything. I'll never forget the Friday night before Arizona State hosted Oregon as 12 point favorites. The Saturday numbers went up on Friday afternoon in that era and many books stayed open all night or at least until midnight to accommodate the early action. I was walking the Strip late at night and suddenly that Arizona State number was bizarre everywhere. It was changing seemingly by the minute, and never the same at any joint. I was walking south to north and it was like 12 at Little Caesar's, then 11 at Bally's, 10 at Barbary Coast, 9 at Flamingo Hilton and Imperial Palace, then 8 at Harrah's. I have never seen anything like that, before or since.
Finally I asked my friend Doug at Harrah's what was going on. He was a huge Browns and Buckeyes fan who sadly passed away a few years later. Doug told me that 4 or 5 young guys wearing Arizona State gear were drunk and wagering on Oregon for the limit time after time. They were laughing and really didn't care what he moved the number to. They just wanted Oregon again.
Once that scandal surfaced within weeks, that game was on the list. No kidding. I think Arizona State won by 7 or 8, just under the number.
This is one topic that I don't already know everything about, so let's fix that.
Is there normally enough betting on a single regular season college basketball game that it becomes possible to hide large bets while fixing the game? If the total amount bet for both sides is only $200,000 and someone puts down a $50,000 bet, then I would think red flags would fly for the bookies. Can you fill in some details and numbers on how they cheated?
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